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1827 Half Dollar, Incomplete Clip

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 Posted 12/04/2013  10:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Over 30 years ago I bought this coin from a dealer at the Bay State Show in Boston. He said it was after mint damage. I thought it was an incomplete blank cutting error, and I called it an incomplete clip. Recently I read an article by J.R. in the Canadian Coin News about incomplete clips, and it verifies what I always thought. Here are some reasonably good pictures. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

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1827-Half-Dollar,-Incomplete-Clip

1827-Half-Dollar,-Incomplete-Clip

1827-Half-Dollar,-Incomplete-Clip

1827-Half-Dollar,-Incomplete-Clip
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 Posted 12/04/2013  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would've been quite the clip!
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 Posted 12/04/2013  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I've got quite a few clips, even a 10% Ike dollar in MS66. But one hardly ever sees these incomplete clips. I really like them !!Thanks, CC2000.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure an expert will chime in. The only question I have is if this "cut" were on the planchet pre-strike wouldn't we see metal flow toward the "cut" from strike pressure? I really have no idea but I would guess PMD.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just checked page 30 of the Canadian Coin News, and looked at a picture of a one cent coin with exactly the same kind of "cut", and one edge is quite sharp, while the other edge has a long, shallow slope away from the cut. On the face of it what you say seems to make sense, but............It would be good if you could access the picture I'm talking about, as the cut is across the Queen's face, just as on my coin. And the coin is identified by one of the known experts. Thanks, though.
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 Posted 12/05/2013  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For comparison, here is a Civil War token struck on an incomplete clip planchet(weakness@ EUR caused by an obverse Cud)-

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if this "cut" were on the planchet pre-strike wouldn't we see metal flow toward the "cut" from strike pressure?

You would on a modern coin but Bust halves were not struck with a collar so the planchets expanded outward instead of being confined within the collar.
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 Posted 12/05/2013  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quite interesting...
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 Posted 12/05/2013  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry, but I really can't buy an incomplete clip. The devices wouldn't have struck into a pre-existing indentation as they look here, in my opinion.
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 Posted 12/08/2013  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harveypb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you study the minting process of these early coins, then you would determine that the coin has PMD. First the blanks were punched out, run through the Castaing machine for the edge lettering and then to the screwpress for striking. The striking of the coin would have at least obliterated some or most of the die lines. The die lines look like they were put on the coin after it was struck... PMD...
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 Posted 12/09/2013  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carlos arriaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at the Angle of the mark. there's coincidence with the material feeding movement in the die process. Another fact is that The radio of the mark it's the same radio of the coin. "For me" YES, there's an incomplete clip.
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 Posted 05/14/2017  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your input. I really appreciate both sides of the argument, but so far I've found nothing that would sway my belief that it's an incomplete clip.
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