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Just Starting Out - The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

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Long time lurker, first time poster.

A couple years back my mom gave me a free camera, a Canon PowerShot SX30. I bought a sturdy copy stand and three Jansjo lights and started taking photos of my coins and didn't like what I saw. I gave up on the coins and eventually got into wildlife, landscape and architecture photos. This spring I upgraded to a Nikon D7000 with a couple of nice lenses.

I generally like to hibernate during the winter up here in Minnesota, so I thought I would try my hand with the coin photos again. A month ago I bought a Tokina 100mm 2.8f macro lens. I thought this would solve all my problems, but I found out that it was more the photographer and not the original camera set up. I thought taking coin photos was going to be easier than the wildlife and landscape photos, but this is way harder than all of you guys make it look. I am hoping for some advice to elevate my game.

I have been taking photos for much of my free time now for about a week. I have posted a few examples below. I am finding it far easier to shoot copper coins than silver and gold. Proofs are way beyond me at this point. Everything below is shot with 1-3 Janjos at 2,10 and 12 o'clock. All photos are shot at 100 ISO in Aperture priority. I have been using a milk carton as a diffuser, but have not liked how most of those have come out.


The Good

Undated Gateshead Boundary token from Great Britain, using 2 lights, f8, 1/50, -1 exposure compensation.

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1970 Austria Innsbruck 50 Schilling Commemorative, using 3 lights, f8, 1/125, no exposure compensation.

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The Bad

1917 Type 1 US Standing Liberty quarter, using 3 lights, f13, 1/250, -1 exposure compensation. I tilted the coin upward from the bottom to try and create an axial lighting situation. Try as I might this photo ends up looking a little too surreal. I tried everything on this one and it still looks more like a painting than a coin photo to me.

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1872 German Prussia 20 Mark Gold, using 2 lights, f8, 1/125, no exposure compensation. I tried a number of gold coins and they all come out looking flat. I also found it difficult to get a good level of detail on the reverse of this coin. I tried shooting with a milk jug over the coin to diffuse the light and of course that came out looking even flatter.

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The Ugly

1982 France Pantheon 100 Francs, using 2 lights, f8, 1/125. This coin looks good in hand, but hideous in all of the photos. I tried diffusion with a milk jug, tilting the coin to try and create axial lighting, but there is just too much noise in these photos.

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1965 Canada proof like Dollar, using 2 lights indirect, f8, 2 seconds, -1 exposure compensation. I got two of these in a batch of ten AUs ordered from APMEX. They look very nice in hand, but once again the photos are hideous. I also tried this one with direct light and diffusion and ended up just pointing the lights away from the coin and shooting a long exposure.

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Any comments or ideas are greatly appreciated. Thanks.










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You take better pictures than me, they look great.
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You're way beyond my level
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Your ugly pictures are better than anything I can take!
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Something to try....get a white paper plate and cut a hole in the middle just big enough to slide it over your lens and instead of pointing the jansjo's down at the coin, point them up into the plate. I have had great success doing this with certain coins
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Something to try....get a white paper plate and cut a hole in the middle just big enough to slide it over your lens and instead of pointing the jansjo's down at the coin, point them up into the plate. I have had great success doing this with certain coins


Thanks for the tip. I'll have to give this a try. I had been trying to bounce the lights off of the white lid to a plastic tub, but it was very inconsistent.
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You may still need to add some direct light...try a few different things like 2 pointing up and one pointing down etc. Lighting can be tricky
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I see the good but not the bad and certainly not the ugly.
Feel free to call me Will.
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I noticed this morning that the raw images on my computer are significantly sharper than the ones I posted above. I figured out something on that this morning. A lot of you are probably more technically savvy than me and may know this already, but I thought I would pass it along anyway.

When saving images from RAW into JPEG and selecting the Options button at the bottom of the page, I changed the Encoding Type dropdown menu from Standard to Progressive and this seemed to yield significantly better results. Even my compressed images were sharper than the uncompressed ones I uploaded to Photobucket yesterday and the file sizes are significantly smaller.
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 Posted 12/24/2013  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You did this in the camera software settings?
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I with all those that say your ugly is better than my best. Welcome to CCF and I can't wait to see what you think is great!
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You did this in the camera software settings?


This would only apply when you are shooting in RAW mode on your camera. You will not be able to save RAW images for upload onto photo sites like Photobucket. This will be under the Save As menu on your computer. There is an Options button at the bottom of the menu that allows you to control the quality of the JPEG you are saving by selecting a compression factor from 1-99 (1 being the highest quality.) I found that by changing the Encoding Type from Standard to Progressive you will be able to post much sharper JPEGs to the message board even when dropping the compression factor to 10 or 20. Your final image size should be less than 500KB.
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RAW is a completely different file format than JPG. Whether or not you shoot RAW files - you can shoot RAW, JPG or both (in which case you get two files for every shot), RAW has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with in-camera JPG processing.

We shoot RAW to take JPG processing away from the pitiful processor in the camera, and do that processing on a computer with respectable hardware and software. RAW files must be postprocessed on a computer with bespoke software; heck, you can't even see that they're an image without that software. It is another level of software complexity, requiring another learning curve. I'd venture to say that *any* dSLR with a decent lens will shoot a JPG of far higher quality than you'll ever need to post online. RAW is where you go to eek out that last 1.5% of perfection.

OK. Advice:

1) Abandon Aperture Priority. You obviously understand shot settings; set them yourself.

2) Abandon Exposure Compensation. Of course your shots are dark; you're letting your camera darken them with minus Exposure Compensation.

3) Set aperture at f/8 and forget that setting exists.

4) Don't be afraid to increase ISO upwards of 100. Your camera should be up to providing excellent imagery at ISO 800, should you need (but you won't need it).

5) Your mileage may vary, but I've never seen a coin I couldn't shoot decently with more than two lights.

6) (Ray's gonna kill me for this) Double up a Kleenex and use that thickness of paper as a diffuser thrown directly over the end of your Jansjos. I think that'll help with coins similar to the 100 Francs.

Your results are not nearly as poor as you're thinking they are.
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Double up a Kleenex and use that thickness of paper as a diffuser thrown directly over the end of your Jansjos.


Thanks for the tips SsuperDdave.

I used the Kleenex over two lights on the image below. I also threw in a third light undiffused at 12 o'clock to bring out some of the toning on this coin. Now this is what I am looking for. This one came in the mail this afternoon. Beautiful coin.

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Thanks for all the wonderful comments and support. Merry Christmas everyone!
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Nice coin. It seems dark to me. hope you don't mind but I did about 30 seconds of editing and brightened it up a bit

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Nice coin. It seems dark to me. hope you don't mind but I did about 30 seconds of editing and brightened it up a bit



Thanks. That's cool. I get that, but I guess what I am trying to do is present the coin as it looks in hand under normal lighting. This is a darkly toned coin and while it probably looks more like your edit under the intense lighting that most of us take photos with, if I handed you the coin for viewing in my kitchen under the over-head lights it would appear darker.


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