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How Do You Think Pgcs Will Grade This?

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After a bogus claim that one of my thousands of coins I post on ebay was fake (see thread in auctions section for details) I am going to submit it for grading to clear my name.

However, I am also sending up a few other coins to see how they do and I am thinking about sending this 1866 1c up. However, it has a light streak going diagonally across the forehead so I am wondering what PGCS would make of that.

Anyone know what this is and whether it could cause the coin to come back as details only? I need it to grade at least "fine" to make it worthwhile.

Here is the coin:
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 Posted 12/24/2013  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Something was laying across the coin for a while. Perhaps in a 2x2 with a rubber band over it or the like. It should not affect the grade or garner a details IMO.
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 Posted 12/24/2013  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You really think this would be worthwhile going through all the trouble and paying all the grading fees to do this?
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It is hard to tell with the pixellated photo but it could be a disruption in patina due to abrasive contact, something that would definitely cause a Details grade. Look carefully for any hairlines in that area. I was looking at a similar IHC on my local shop's bid board on Monday, someone had rubbed LIBERTY with a pencil eraser on an otherwise dark coin
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 Posted 12/24/2013  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timspong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
>You really think this would be worthwhile going through all the trouble and paying all the grading fees to do this?<

If it grades "Fine" then I could get a least $80, $100 if it gets a VF holder. It would definitely be worthwhile as I am sending it in with a bunch of other coins. The postage is what normally kills the viability of getting coins slabbed and I have to send the other one in anyhow.

In fact I'll take photos of everything I am sending to get opinions. I'll post them in about 10 mins

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 Posted 12/24/2013  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timspong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay these are all the coins I am thinking of submitting. Opinions sought Please.

Hopefully a better pic of the 1866 with stripe:
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This is the coin that was accused of being a fake:
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This is a key date Liberty nickel that I am hoping will grade a G but the rim ding (top left) is worrying:
If it grades a G it will be worth at least $235:
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Two Key date Washington quarters (1932-S) that I think will grade at least VF and would be worth at least $145 each:
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A key date Peace dollar that I am hoping will get at least an F and should be worth at least $355
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Finally a Panama Pacific that should get at lest an XF (worth $215) or even a whopping $400 if it scrapes an AU. The photo doesn't do this one justice at all and it looks much better in the flesh:
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Anyhow, I would love to hear opinions.

cheers
Tim
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I think it'll grade VF-20.
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G-4 '86 Libs. can be had for less than 200 lately, but you never know w/a BIN.
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I read with interest you post on the Photo forum ... and agreed in spirit with your post on the ebay forum when your coin was called out to be fake ...

That said ... these mass-produced photos are not suitable to offer a true grading opinion .. let alone offer judgments on the surface condition.

I do wish you the best with the PCGS submittal ... of course you know that ANACS can do the same thing for a lot less $ and they are ebay approved.

David

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I think that 1886 nickel would probably get by, they give a little leeway with the rim on circulated coins. The 1866 indian and the 2nd Washington quarter though I wouldnt be surprised to see in a details slab from those pictures. They could certainly look better in hand so dont take it as gospel
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>... of course you know that ANACS can do the same thing for a lot less $ and they are ebay approved.<

actually I hadn't thought about that. I think I will look into it.
thanks
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I would have to say the 1864 doesn't look right either.
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>I would have to say the 1864 doesn't look right either.<

As in being cleaned or fake? It is the copper Nickel variety and the color in that photo is off. Here are some with a better representation of the color. I have heard of 1864 Bronze w/L being faked but never a CN 64.

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The date on the first photo of the 1864 cent looks wrong.
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Well this second photo doesn't even look like the same coin. In the first pic the 8 and 6 do not look right at all kinda mushed, wallered out. The nick on the cheek does not show at all, there are small dark specks not showing in the second pic either. Feather details look different also. To me the flip the coin is in is not the same one in the first pic either. First pic has the cn look, color. Are you sure you don't have things mixed up a bit?
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I have no clue how you could say those 1932 quarters are "S" mint.
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