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Livonia Free City Of Riga Help

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 Posted 12/28/2013  1:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A while ago I purchased some medieval hammered coins from a seller on ebay. One was tentatively labeled as being from Latvia. At the time I wasn't sure so I just put the sellers notes on the label and called it good. This morning I found the coin again and looked at it. It is a silver or billon.

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Crown at top.
Monogrammed CR center.
Legend: CAROLVS D:G.REX.S.

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Legend: SOLIDVS CIVI RIG.62.

I've found two coins I think it could be:

The first is from Riga, Swedish Occupation, Standard Coinage:

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The second (no picture included with the entry) is from Livonia, Swedish Occupation, Standard Coinage:

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However, with out the pic I am unsure how to tell the difference. Especially since the reverse of KM#4 from the Livonia, Swedish Occupation, Standard Coinage section says CIVI REG. (Even though the monogram on the obverse is different).


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I am leaning towards KM#55 under Riga. But then I found this: http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31470.html But as numista is user contributed who can say that is the right picture. (As the legend seems to be transcribed wrong).

Can anyone help?
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 Posted 12/29/2013  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As Riga was part of Livonia at that time, and it was the issuing mint of Livonia, I should say it is your first choice.

When I search the coin on NumisMaster (the website of Krause) your coin is listed as: Livonia / Swedish Occupation solidus (shilling-silins) KM#55.

The monogram is that of Carl XI of Sweden, who was king from 1660 until 1697.
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 Posted 12/31/2013  03:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There were two "series" produced around the same time: for Livonia and for Riga. Riga is, of course, part of Livonia, but because of the whole "free city" part their coins were issued separately.
The Livonian series have something like "Solidus Livoniae" in legend, and a different shield. Your coin is definitely for Riga, and so is the coin in that Krause picture (no, I don't have an idea why either).
As for Numista, they seem to work under the "Riga is part of Livonia" version (note that the entry is even actually labeled "Free City of Riga").

Unrelatedly: I don't know why did Krause do it, but IMHO calling these coins "silver" is wishful thinking. They're billon, and pretty low-end billon at that (I couldn't find a definite figure - and yes, I searched for it just yesterday, for reasons unrelated to this thread - but one study about XRF detectors claimed the silver content was 10% by 1652).
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Yes, the coin is CXI Riga schilling or solidus (16)62. The silver content is below 10%.

But of course, the coin is not medieval as in 1662 the Middle Age was long gone and it is also not hammered, but rather pressed with so-called Walzwerk machine.
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