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Need Help With 1878 8 Tf VAM 8

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 Posted 07/01/2007  8:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Scoham82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I'm new to coins and newer to VAM's. I have a 1878 8 TF. I looked at Vamworld for VAM 8 and it seems to be a VAM 8. It has disconnected leaves, doubled/ tripled bow, correct left and right feathers, die chip on forehead, and the die break from the 1. But the reverse also has doubling on United States of America and one dollar. Also doubled on the reverse are the leaves, berries, eagle's beak, the eagle's upper right outer feathers(closest to the D in United), and both stars. The A in America has a die chip on it. On the obverse the E is doubled, and the nostril is thinner, almost broken.
My question, is it still a VAM 8 since has extra doubling that isn't listed for the VAM 8. Thanks Scott
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 Posted 07/01/2007  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Coin Community, Scott. You've come to the right place if you're looking for help with a Morgan. We have quite a few nut....um, fans of that series around here.

The primary telltale for that VAM is the disconnected leaves near the bow. The doubling you see could be mechanical, or just not mentioned in the description. As you know, die states change during the life of the die, and frequently with Morgans the nostril pays the price for polishing during the die's life. That could explain your example. It's possible to have specific VAM's which can be significantly different from other examples of the same VAM due to die progressions.

That's a good one you've got there. Is it Mint State? Have you the ability to post pics?
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 Posted 07/01/2007  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scoham82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Dave,Thanks. These are photos of the 1878 8TF from my previous message. I'm still learning about doubling. And learning about computers. I ordered the VAM book so hopefully it will help me. Scott

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 Posted 07/02/2007  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scott, I would suggest you get a "little closer" to the coin!LOL You do need to get a close-up that will show the details, of which you speak. Do you have a10X loupe? It, with a little adjustment in the distances between the coin, and loupe, and loupe,, and camera will give you the right size. .. Computers, there are those with more expertise with them, than I, and another area you will finr interesting, is learning to use a microscope-camera to take your photos. There are other ways, but MINE always come out Horrible! Welcome aboard! youi will find everything you want to ask, and find out about here. Someone has that info, and is willing to help you. As far as asking "dumb" questions, just remember the only "dumb" question, is the one you were afraid to ask!
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 Posted 07/02/2007  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ocsjr2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Scott; The combination of obverse and reverse dies used for the VAM-8 are unique, meaning they were only used on the VAM-8, so if your coin matched what you saw on VAMWORLD then you've made the right call. The 8-TF Attribution Guide is a very good book to buy if your planning on doing alot of 8-TF's. It shows all the different die marriages they used and will teach you how to find the correct reverse die first and then shows which obverse dies were used with it to find the correct VAM number. A very good book.
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 Posted 07/02/2007  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scoham82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I'm waiting on the VAM book to arrive and will order the 8 TF book. Still need to learn more about VAM's. I'm becoming obsessed with identifying VAM's
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 Posted 07/03/2007  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ocsjr2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scott; If you go to Ashmore. com ,then you can look at the latest VAM Supplement that Leroy has put out. He updates it every year and posts a certain amount of pictures when he does. It's a must if you get into clashed dies, also look into joining SSDC while your there. Remember "Knowledge is King!" and that comes from Dr Michael Fey.
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