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 Posted 12/31/2013  06:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
here two roman sestertii ,
1:Hadrianus RIC 750 , tooled on both sizes,but beautiful and used as a pendant,golden attach point still visible on the edge
2:Commodus RIC 376.
For the first,I noted all the tooling in my file with grade very fine , for the second fine to very fine.
What do you think?
Sorry,I have still problems with the size
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 Posted 12/31/2013  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You do know that the Commodus one is a fake?
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 Posted 12/31/2013  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a very nice cast copy. The evidence is in the porosity seen clearly on left side of reverse and the tiny casting 'pearls' visible in the obverse legend. These are formed by tiny bubbles which adhere to the surface of the wax model during investment with the plaster like mold material. A vibration is generally applied to dislodge any trapped air bubbles but a few always manage to cling inside the corners of details such as letters or hair curls. An examination of the coin edge should show a point of entry for the metal. Probably near the porous area.

Sorry to have to tell you this.

The first coin (Hadrian) seems real enough. The issue though is that most collectors would be very bothered by the obvious 'engraving' used to give the coin added detail. It looks like it was a very acceptable sestertius to begin with. Plenty of high relief which a collector might admire. From my point of view the coin was "Vandalised" by someone with unclear intent. Some gentle scraping of surface material while frowned on is not completely out of the question. Carving into the metal though I am afraid is not only frowned upon ...... it is painful to see
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 Posted 12/31/2013  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first coin is real but has been tooled and not done very well at that. The coin has been altered by the tooling so I could not give it a grade. The second coin is a fake as Bacchus and FV stated.
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 Posted 12/31/2013  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no sorry ,Furius Rufus,I knew it.I bought the two coins in 1971 in the south of France when I was working there for two years.It was a lot of about 100 coins , fifty-fifty AE/AR , with about ten fakes. Included were also faked tetradrachms of Alexander the Great , in two mints : Arados and Myriandros.I never sawed fake coins like this , maybe it are 19th century fakes.I send pics by a new topic because I don t know how to do it here .I paid in that time 100 french francs ,about 12 USdollars.So it was a godd deal
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I am glad to hear you say this. As a conversation piece it has some value. If you were to buy a nice copy at a museum they would probably charge $25 (or more!).
Of course it is best to mark it as such lest an unsuspecting person be fooled.
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