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Help With Religious Medals/Tokens ?

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 Posted 12/31/2013  6:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add qktbird to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, I picked up two large religious medals/tokens over a year ago and was never able to identify them to figure out how old they are or if they might possibly be silver or are worth anything. I've seen some that are similar on ebay but never found the same exact ones anywhere. They are both larger than a sliver dollar. The Joannes one weighs 41.5g and the Maximvs weighs 72.2g and is about 1/4" larger in diameter and almost twice the thickness. Here are some pics:

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 Posted 12/31/2013  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off... it's the pope... if it's not silver then I'll eat his hat... Glad you spotted that IOANES was John, quick search shows 58-63 for his reign.

PIVS is PIUS XII on the second one 39-58 for him, they both say "pontiff maximus" meaning "Big Papa" ... OK so someone who knows the language might give a better translation.

And again... the pope is the pope and silver is silver... and these are both, not an expert and no link but my impression is silver, if you want to confirm it, most LCS's have acid tests they can use to determine the purity of the silver but as the name implies ACID is acid

OHHH I looked a little closer and MCMLVIII is 1963 so it's the last year of his reign.

The OBV of the second coin seems to show the immaculate conception of Jesus, might be a Christmas issue.

Just a guess (as most of this has been) the last picture has an M mint mark , or so it seems, I'd assume Milan.

guesses all but somewhat educated I hope, Good Luck with it!
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"Pontifex Maximus" is Latin for "greatest pontiff" or "high priest" - it originally was a title the Emperors of Rome held, since they were the highest official of the old pagan Roman religion as well as Emperor. Emperor Gratian renounced the title in AD 382; Pope Leo I annexed it for the Papacy sometime around AD 450.

Just because it is a papal medallion does not mean it is made of solid silver. Con artists and swindlers are just as capable of making cheap silver-plated religious medals as they are of making silver-plated fake coins. The way the silvery layer has worn away from the high points of the second piece (Pius XII) indicates this is not made of solid, high-purity silver. Here is a second medal with the same "immaculata regina universi" reverse type, only that one's for John XXIII. It states the composition is "Cu" - copper. It's currently selling for 5 euros.

"immaculata regina universi" is Latin for "Immaculate Queen of the Universe". The "mintmark" is an "MA" monogram, presumably the artist's signature.

On the first medal, "Lorioli" is the name of a large Italian medal-making company; their website is only in Italian. The biography page on that website indicates that Giuseppe Pirrone, whose name also appears on the medal, was a medallist and sculptor who lived 1898-1978; besides countless medals, mostly religious, he also designed the Vatican City coinage for 1967 and 1968. None of which helps tell you whether or not this particular medal is silver, but I strongly suspect it is.
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 Posted 01/01/2014  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I may have been a little over enthusiastic, with a 2nd look at the 2nd coin I'll concede that it does look like the 10% silver Mexican pesos I have, worn and dingy on the high points. It may be plated but I'd still wonder if it has a low content of silver

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Not the best image but you get the idea.

I had not even considered the possibility of a fake, but sometimes the fake is worth more, usually not thou.

There are tons of tests, weight verses specific gravity, acid tests, x-rays. more research would be my suggestion before dropping a bunch of cash on expensive tests.

Good luck with it and keep us posted.
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Thanks for the replies. I will still keep looking for info on these medals. So far I haven't been able to find any that are exactly the same. I've seen some where the obverse or reverse look the same but never an identical one that both obverse and reverse are a match to mine. I appreciate the replies and they have given me a little more to work with. Pointing out the "MA" monogram was something that I didn't see. I didn't even see the "A" in there for some reason. LOL Thanks again !
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