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1809 O-107 - IIIi Edge

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1809 Capped Bust half dollar O-107 with the so called IIII experimental edge. Using the diagnostics on CoinZip.com and PCGS photos I believe I got this correct. (Old silver half dollars are not at all my specialty, if something is incorrect, let me know.) I ended up focusing on the orientation and spacing of the first two stars and spacing within the date to match the obverse as opposed to the myriad confusing diagnostics. Having my obverse photograph open, I just bounced back and forth from web images to my own ruling them out until I got to O-107; or obverse die 4.

The reverse has a series of NW-SE mostly parallel die scratches between the left upper wing and eagles neck; a light die gouge between F and A; and some die pitting after the 50. This appears to be reverse die F. It is listed it as having a rarity of R3. I have included detail shots of some markers and the edge (which was hard to shoot). I will note, that my research says a later die state (107A) has a die crack behind the lower hair through the stars; and some strong die gouges through AMERICA.

1809-O-107---IIIi-Edge

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Yes, you got it right. Great coin, great images.

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Nicely done, and a worthy addition to the collection of any Bust Half enthusiast. One resource I always use when attributing Busties is the Heritage Auctions archive - their images are large enough that I can explore all of the minor feature relationships, and they have over 28,000 Bust Half sales on file.

For me, the first step in attribution is the relationship between the T in STATES and the I in PLURIBUS (well, the very first step is acquiring a copy of Overton). Usually, this immediately eliminates 3/4 of the varieties for a given year. Then, obverse star locations if milling is available, or the location and shape of 50C. if not. I also look at the date at this stage.

By then, I'm usually either done, or down to only a couple of possibilities. If either possibility lists "special" characteristics like the lines from the neck here, this is the time to start studying them; if not, I'm at Heritage and looking at the letter & arrow relationships on the reverse.
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As already stated, you are correct. SsuperDdave is right. That's exactly how I narrow it down as well.
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Thanks for the comments. I will be posting a 1825 that was a lot easier to attribute with the correct number.
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Jason, I have to say, your pictures are awesome and your knowledge of Capped Bust half dollars is well beyond mortal men! You can see you are/will be a very welcome addition here on the Forum!
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Anyone want to try and grade this one?
The nick in the field adjacent to star 5 will probably bring it down, the color worries me a tad...
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