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Pillar of the Community
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here a 10 centesimi 1866 coin of Vittorio Emanuele II , king of Italie .He has a kind of tiara like the pope .The coin is a satirical coin,I founded an internet.Does anybody know why?   |
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The coin is a "normal" Italian 10 centesimi of 1866, which someone has carved the papal crown onto. Very interesting; I have seen French coins with Emperor Napoleon III given a carved Prussian helmet and ZAR coins with President Kruger given a top hat, pipe and shawl, but never an Italian coin.
As to why, one can speculate: in 1870, the army of newly unified Italy annexed the Papal States (which were then quite a large piece of central Italy, including the entire city of Rome) and marched into Rome, intending to make Rome the capital of Italy. The Pope refused to surrender or to acknowledge the Italian annexation of his territory; instead, he locked himself in the Vatican citadel, where the Popes remained for the next 60 years, until Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty recognizing the independence of the Vatican City. Many Catholics, including many Italians, were not happy with the way the Pope was treated. This coin mocks the king, as if by seizing the Pope's territory he was in effect claiming the papal crown for himself.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice piece of history Sap  Speculation abounds on whether the added carving was a contemporary statement or a modern one ? |
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Pillar of the Community
 Belgium
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thanks for the explication , T was thinking something like that , but I had a problem with the year 1866 .The other coin(www.cgb.fr) I ve found is of 1867 and the tiara differs a little bit . So it was all handwork , it is unbelievable.
I add a pic of the french coin in my collection,this one is no handwork but there are different variants (see also cgb).
Sorry,I have to make a new topic ,I do it now
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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don t find the pics,i ll make new ones tomorrow
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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if you want to know more of satirical coins , google 'satirical coins ' and choise http://www.roth37.it , interesting |
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United States
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My due centesimi would lean towards this being a crown of Menelik II of Ethiopia, someone the Italians had some international intrigue with. There is a picture of ole Menelik II on wikipedia.
Joe
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Didn't think that hat looked very papal. Good call, Badger!
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Australia
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Yes, it's an interesting possibility. The Ethiopian kings certainly are depicted with a similar triple-banded crown on their coins; so both the Ethiopian crown and the papal tiara are triple-banded, and both have a cross on top. Both are also usually depicted more elaborately than this; I suspect the medium of subtractive carving has a lot to do with how the final design looks. The only thing against the Ethiopian theory is the date of the host coin; 1866 is not too old for a coin protesting events occurring in 1870, but the First Italo-Ethiopian War did not break out until the 1890s, by which time a coin of 1866 would be heavily worn and the Italian king depicted on it, Victor Emmanuel II, was dead; the king at the time of the Italian defeat at Adwa in 1896 was Umberto I. So I still think the papal triple-tiara is the most likely candidate. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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