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Looking Back At 2013

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Just a few thoughts about 2013 and the RCM...

Surprise: I was surprised that no standard 2013 Proof Set (i.e., annual commemorative silver dollar plus base metal versions of the circulation coins) was issued. Such a set has been a core acquisition for many modern coin collectors since the RCM began issuing such sets back in 1981. I think it may point to the fact that the RCM is focusing more on attracting new short-term customers with tech-novelty coins vs. maintaining a long-term relationship with traditional collectors.

Pleasure: I was very pleased with the Bald Eagle series the RCM produced. I like coins that depict eagles in natural environments and so this series of coins worked for me. I realize the series was developed at the behest of a US coin dealer, but that doesn't take away my enjoyment of the coins. (BTW: I've never seen a chicken when I've looked at the first coin of the series; a chicken's anatomy is very different!)

Disappointment: I was disappointed that the RCM continued to play fast and loose with the denominations of their coins. What is the rationale for a gold coin with a denomination of 50 cents? Why release coins of multiple denominations that use the same silver planchet? For example, a silver planchet with a diameter of 27 mm and a weight of 0.25 ounces was used for coins of four different denominations in 2013: $3, $4, $10 and $20. Also, the selling prices of such coins varied from $20 to $49.95!

Appreciation: I appreciated the fact that the RCM looked for ways to enhance the appearance of its non-coloured/bedazzled coins and released a number of proof coins that employed multiple finishes/levels of frost. This improvement in die production most definitely creates coins with enhanced visual impact. It was certainly welcomed by this collector!

Perplexed: I continued to be perplexed by the delivery delays that many collectors experienced in 2013. The delays are not a big deal to me as I am a collector that rarely looks to resell the coins that I purchase - so I don't have to receive them while they're still "hot" - but multi-month delays in delivering some orders is simply not a good business practice. After the large number of delays the RCM experienced in 2012, I would have thought they would have better addressed such issues within their production and fulfillment operations in 2013. They may have improved, but they are still far from having the problem solved.


Those are a few of my reflections on 2013, what are some of yours?


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About the Eagles, it's very interesting to see that the "chicken coin" that almost all the people said that was ugly, it's the only coin in the series selling always $15 over issue price, I don't know why. Being the first in the series could be the only answer.

I agree with the rest you've said.

Maybe I can add that RCM is still releasing to many coins and I think that if they don't put more realistic prices they could start having some problems selling (income).
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I love a lot of the issues from the RCM, I can't afford them, but I love them.

There in lies my concerns. NCLTs, 1oz silver for $115, $100, $90 or $80 ? 1/4 silver for $35 ?

Cupro-nickel quarters for $25 ? The coins are beautiful, but with PM's @ $20 how much longer can they keep people interested ?
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I think the Mint is in for a rude awakening this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a stunt at the end of the year to make up for poor sales. There is going to be a lot of discounted coins being sold on The Shopping Channel and Canada Post this year during the Black Friday/Cyber Monday weekend.
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I got some good deals at Canada Post Cyber Monday as well as Canadian Coin and Currency. It's ashame that RCM couldn't match the prices.
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Proof set ain't what it used to be, silver dollar in the specimen set, demise of the BU set a few years back.
I agree with you commems, they no longer have an interest in their relationship with the traditional collectors who have been buying these products for decades. When the NCLT bubble bursts, as it will, they won't have the traditional collector customer base to fall back on.
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My thoughts-

1- WAY TOO MUCH PRODUCT

2- Dislike how the RCM makes coins for other dealers (IE recent Silvertowne Eagle coins) further dilutes the RCM brand

3- very few coins to like, very few coins appreciated in value.

Bottomline- RCM NCLT is bought because you like either the theme or coin. thats it.

there are very few coins that you want to own if you are speculating. If you do want to speculate, price is important or you wait to these coins to tank in price and then buy them.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@yup7676: I had to smile when I read your "further dilute the RCM brand" comment. I agree that the RCM has been "diluting" its brand for several years now and shows no signs of letting up - they'll seemingly strike a coin with just about design theme if they think they can sell a bunch.

I'm also not a big supporter of the "Legal Tender for Hire" approach that the RCM has been taking with a number of private companies over the past few years, but I still do like the 2013 Bald Eagle coin series!


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@commems

Yes I been collecting data as time permits and thats pretty clear, not only is the RCM making tons of coins but on TOP of that, they are doing exclusive deals with other dealers that dilutes the value of their product.

now, it does appear this Eagle coin, at least a few of them, will be home runs.. but once again , its only a handful of coins.

I really think,,,, that if the community had a real time data base or going market price for these coins, world mints and private mints would have to take notice and stop making coins like crazy.
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