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People Do Strange Things To Coins

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I pulled this out from a bulk lot

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Oddly enough, it's worth a lot more now than it was as a normal coin.
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Interesting isn't it?
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 Posted 01/07/2014  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wiggam007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool piece of numismatic art you have picked up there :)
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The only strange thing about this coin is how easy it was to make her a man
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I wonder when that was done?
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Interesting, it looks like it has been done recently as the carved parts have a shiny copper colour and the rest of the coin has toned.
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Hi Nathan

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. But there was about 180 Victorian coins in this lot and none of the others had this operation performed on them. It must have taken some time. I got the lot fairly cheap off an auction site (might have been someone liquidating an estate) and I really don't know why anyone would do that to a coin in an otherwise nice grade.

Anyway, I think it's pretty cool too. I'm going to put it in my collection. When I was pulling the coins out of the bulk bag, I saw the reverse first and was excited to have a nice Victorian penny without the wear and circulation typical of these coins. When I saw the back I was slightly disappointed at first but now I think it's really cool. :)
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The cuts actually look like they've been there for some years. The method used can place it anywhere from the time the coin was minted to now, so you'd have to age the modification from the toning. A new cut like that would be a brighter orange. It was most probably done when this coin had no value above face, however an engraver lacking numismatic knowledge could have done it at any time.
By the way, thanks for sharing!
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Does anyone else think it looks like it was done with an electric engraving tool?
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Does anyone else think it looks like it was done with an electric engraving tool?


In the hands of a master, if it was. I wonder what the significance of the "4" on the shoulder is? Might be worth looking into British and/or Boer uniforms of the day, to see if any used that designation. It might give you a look into the head of the engraver. Or, given your location, perhaps NZ military.
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My guess is not electric.
This is very similar to the engraving done on inexpensive shotguns. Particularly, Belgian double barrels from about 100 years ago.
If I understand correctly, a small sharp chisel is stabbed into the metal. And by lifting one side and advancing the tool, then lifting the other side, the tool can be made to "walk" forward creating chains of "Z" patterns.
Can any one verify or dispute my hunch?
Thanks
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The 4 probably refers to a unit 4th Foote etc.
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Thanks for posting, very interesting!
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