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I'm having trouble with this coin. It has an F 4 and I. If it was an M I would say Byzantine. The reverse has some sort of eight pointed star or cross reminiscent of a widow's mite. It's the same diameter as a Lincoln Penny and weighs 4.5 grams. Any thoughts? Any of this look familiar?
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I always love a mystery. This is an intriguing coin that I don't immediately recognize but it doesn't look like antiquity to me. I would suspect that because of the F font I would suspect that it might be early modern Spanish. I would love to see what this turns out to be!
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Who knows, might be an unknown monogram of some late Roman guy, like Romulus Augustulus
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...I would suspect that it might be early modern Spanish.

That would be my guess. The symbol on the reverse is the wheel-of-chains of Navarre.
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The piece looks like it has some age based on the deposits. Any idea where it was found?
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I don't know where it was found. My local dealer buys his ancients from a wholesaler out of Spain, and the vast majority are Roman, but occasionally Spanish, Celtic, Byzantine and others get in his lots. This was one of the ones in a cheap unattributed bin that caught my eye. I'm going to explore the Navarre path again, I did once before about an hour ago but didn't come up with anything.
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I just had someone suggest Phillipvs Navarra in a ancient coin collecting group on Facebook I belong too. I still can't find any picture though. I've had others suggest Byzantine, Turkish, and even Jewish.
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The wheel of chains pretty much solidifies the Spanish claim. I think that is your best bet. IMHO it does not appear to be ancient in manufacture maybe 14-17th century.
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Spain Navarre Philip IV 1621-65 AD AE 4 Cornados of Pamplona ?
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Thanks, I'm still not 100% convinced yet, but a Navarre coin now seems the most likely candidate. I will keep working on this. Though the reverse seems right, the obverse is still not a match, and at over 4 grams it's a bit heavy. I don't think it's a fake, the wholesaler and dealer have a good reputation, not to mention it was in a small lot so it only cost me a dollar.
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You guys guessed it! I just found an image of the Navarra 4 Coronados! Thank you all for the help!
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