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Have Any Of You Ever Sent Your Coins Off To A Ratings Agency

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 Posted 01/08/2014  11:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add traevin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was watching an auction a few minutes ago for a slabbed MS70 China 2003 Panda. It hasn't sold yet but it's already over $550, which seems pretty amazing to me, considering that I paid less than $30 (ungraded) for the two in my collection. I use this coin only as an example because it made me wonder if I should get any of my coins rated. So here are some questions for those of you who have done it:

1) What's the process involve and what did it ultimately cost?
2) Did the coin/coins grade where you thought they would, and if not, did the ratings agency grade them harder or easier?
3) Would you do it again (i.e. was it a good experience?)?
4) Did you sell any of those slabbed coins and see a nice profit due to getting them rated vs. just selling them as is?

Anything else worth mentioning (i.e. pros and cons)?
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 Posted 01/09/2014  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bekiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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walk through panda lovers and you'll discover that they are busy taking raw pandas, slab them and sell at very very nice profit)))
I'd grade some of my coins but we don't have grading agency here in Japan :(
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 Posted 01/09/2014  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1) What's the process involve and what did it ultimately cost?


It all depends on the type of coin and how many you spend. Shipping will cost approximately 50 dollars round trip usually give or take some. If you have 2 coins that seems excessive but 10 or 15 and its not that bad.

Moderns for PCGS and NGC are about 16 a coin, ANACS isn't worth using for moderns as their 70s have very little premium and I actually cant stand them anyway from my thread in the TPG forum.

Older collector coins for PCGS and NGC are usually 20 or 32 depending on the speed and coins value. But they can be anywhere from 20 a coin to 100+ a coin if you want the turnaround time to be as quick as 48 hours.


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2) Did the coin/coins grade where you thought they would, and if not, did the ratings agency grade them harder or easier?


At first your usually going to get some surprised. I still have some from my first batches I'm trying to sell but it was a good learning experience and helped me learn quickly so it was worth the reasonable losses on those. The better you are at grading the less surprises youll have, but modern 70s are by far the hardest to get without bulk submissions. Chasing those modern 70s is usually a money losing proposition in all honesty if you arent sending in probably 10 or 20+ of the same ones you hand picked.

Generally people are surprised their coins dont do better when using a TPG for the first time or surprised at how many come back with details grades for older coins from a cleaning or something like that.


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3) Would you do it again (i.e. was it a good experience?)?


Ive done well with it over all and gotten some things dirt cheap but it does take some effort to get good at cherry picking. I enjoy the hunt though so its a win win for me. My experiences with PCGS have been good, ANACS was a HORRIBLE experience ruining a 300 dollar coin of my trying to remove the toning, and I've never used NGC so I have no comment on them.


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4) Did you sell any of those slabbed coins and see a nice profit due to getting them rated vs. just selling them as is?


I have, though things dont always sell the fastest so you need to be willing to sit on things if you arent willing to roll the dice with a no reserve auction sale. Usually though where you see a huge jump between two grades (like the panda you mentioned in the MS 70) people will want it graded before theyll spend the money on the higher side of the jump.

The biggest con imo is having to wait a few weeks to find out as I get impatient when I know it should be done soon. The biggest pro imo is whenever youre at a shop or show you can look for things that could be undergraded that have a good value jump in the next grade up. You can either get stuff cheaper that way or sell it and get extra money to buy stuff you really want.
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01/09/2014 12:29 am
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 Posted 01/11/2014  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add traevin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that detailed response, BB. I don't think it has been said enough but you're one of the most knowledgeable, considerate, patient, and thoughtful members on this site. No matter how intriguing or silly the questions might be, time and time again, I've seen you make yourself available to add deep, thorough, sometimes brilliant, insight and gravitas to so many discussions over the years when no one else had come forward to lend a hand. I just wanted to thank you for continually making this forum so consistently sterling- pardon the pun- and enjoyable.

In short, you da man!
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 Posted 01/11/2014  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@BB

is a Gem uncirculated a higher grade than MS 70 for a bullion coin?

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I just wanted to thank you for continually making this forum so consistently sterling-


I LOVE cheesy humor like that, well played and thank you for the kind words.


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is a Gem uncirculated a higher grade than MS 70 for a bullion coin?


70s are the best of the best nothing is higher than that. The Gem Uncirculated and Gem brilliant uncirculated are grade ranges. Technically I believe the gem uncir is supposed to be like ms 60-63 and the gem brillant 64 65ish or something along those lines.

The only time you see them on slabs though is for bulk grading where the submitter didnt want a grade put on them or they were the rejects for the ones actually getting a grade. It looks better having that on the label than an MS 67 ASE or an MS 62 Kennedy.

Some good coins can get mixed up in submissions like that, but the majority are ones you would likely pass over if you saw the grade they would get on the label. Maybe worth a slight premium over raw ones, but definitely no where near 70 money
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Before slabs became so prevalent and the Sheldon scale was widely adopted. Raw coins used to be given Adjectival Grades. This grading was totally subjective and of course varied collector to collector and dealer to dealer.
AU coins were graded AU, but after that the grades consisted of
Uncirculated (UNC)
Brilliant Uncirculated (BU)
Choice Uncirculated (CH BU or CH UNC)
Gem Brilliant Uncirculated (Gem BU)

These were how I learned to grade coins when I was a kid. Basically UNC was equivalent to MS 60 and you understood from sight, the upgrades to Brilliant, Choice and Gem.
And you still see these grades all the time on old 2X2's

Nowadays in slab vernacular , Gem Brilliant UNC is anything under MS69 that the seller doesn't want to attach a number too
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01/11/2014 9:09 pm
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Thank you Denco and Basebal for those responses.

I am finding there are a few coins that I want to get, but they have only been offered or available graded. I prefer OGP in man cases but a few make sense to get in the slab.

An example is the Somalian proof elephant coins. The 1 oz proof elephants that you find graded are from the sets that they break down. To me, I would prefer to just own the 1 oz proof coin from the set.

I was also surprised but delighted to see that several F15 Rwanda silver coins have come to the market, but they are graded as well and offered by auction.

So thank you again for the info on the grading process. It is confusing with each agency having their scales and terms they use for their grading scales.
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