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Not An Ancient... Medieval? Anyone Recognize?

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An oddball from that Stack's mixed lot of Greeks, Romans, and Byzantines I recently bought. No idea what it is. Do any of you recognize it? Medieval? Early modern?

~29 mm, 13.9 gm

Not-An-Ancient...-Medieval?--Anyone-Recognize?

Looks like the legend is A M A R Ç I R [or V attached to R?] A D _____

(no idea which is the starting letter)
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Not anything I've ever seen.
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I tried variations of the letters and came up with a reference to Occitan, spoken from the 10th century in France, Italy in Spain. Don't suppose that helps much.
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Can you tell what it's made of? The style, the fact that it seems to be uniface and what may be a thread channel, I suspect it may be a seal, though it does not appear to be made of lead.
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A seal? Never thought of that Sap!

I see what appears to be bronze disease, most of what appears stabalized. My guess is it is bronze or copper.
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It does look seal-ish. The metal is bronze though.
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very strange... I like saps seal idea.
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The word I'm seeing is AMARGVRA ("bitterness, sorrow"), or even AMARGVRADA (the adjective "embittered" modifying a feminine noun), from Spanish, Portuguese, or some Iberian dialect.
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...AMARGVRADA (the adjective "embittered" modifying a feminine noun), from Spanish, Portuguese, or some Iberian dialect.


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I googled AMARGVRA and bronze and this text came up

https://archive.org/stream/tobaccow...hil_djvu.txt

AMARGVRA appears to be in Havana, and they sold cigars called Bronze Medal for 10c.
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