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Is it the price of titanium that holds back titanium coinage? Is it a problematic metal for coining, ie. cracking, splitting, etc.

Seems to me it would be a good material for money. Titanium is lightweight and strong as heck. Plus you can anodize it to make it turn all sorts of far-out colors! And for tradition's sake we can plate them with copper and nickel and steel if the mint feels like it...

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 Posted 01/16/2014  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a strategic metal so it's probably difficult to get enough together to make an appropriate quantity, also, there is nothing special about an extra light coin in your pocket.....If anyone remembers aluminum Italian lira coins, it doesn't give you the feeling of heft or value that Au or Ag in your pocket will give you.
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Lots of better and cheaper and more malleable materials out there than trying to work with titanium.. It does not change shape easily at all...

That's why anything made of titanium costs so much...



Will we see plastic coins in the future.....OK Bad Idea..
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 Posted 01/16/2014  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not everything made from Titanium costs a lot , a few years ago SanDisk made cruzer titanium flash drives with elegant titanium bodies
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I'm guessing the mint would have a heck of a time coming up with the dies to press titanium into coins.
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Raw titanium is cheap; the cost comes from working with it to turn it into something useful. Titanium is way too difficult to work with, as far as punching out blanks and stamping intricate designs with dies is concerned. It's just too tough, and requires special conditions (titanium is softer when worked in an oxygen-free atmosphere, for example, or when heated above 430 degrees C). You can't melt it easily; it's theoretical melting point is 1650 degrees C, but it catches on fire before it melts so you need to melt it under vacuum. This makes recycling the scissel less economical. A mint making mass-production circulating titanium coins would pretty much need to be purpose built - you couldn't simply switch a normal mint over to titanium production. There are plenty of more economically viable metals they could use instead.

Some countries have made titanium coins, but purely as NCLT for novelty's sake. Pobjoy Mint in particular has produced several, both bimetallic and solid titanium, and Austria has produced some bimetallics.
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Yes, titanium is tough stuff.

However, maybe we'll see it one day as a material for very high face-value coins around the $10 range - after all, it is a difficult-to-work metal and its low density means that it would be hard to match the size and weight of it with normal metals.
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 Posted 01/16/2014  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
for all the reasons given. I suspect titanium would wear out steel dies just too fast.
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I suspect titanium would wear out steel dies just too fast.
Do titanium coins require titanium dies? Or is using steal more cost effective, even though they may wear faster?
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I don't know what Pobjoy and Vienna do to make theirs, but being NCLT, they can afford to take however much time they need. The problems with titanium escalate when you try to speed things up and do a high production run for mass-circulation coins: titanium is much tougher at room temperature but tends to get softer than steel much quicker as you heat it up; I think the working temperature for high speed dies would get too hot for titanium dies to be stable - especially if you were heat-softening the blanks prior to striking.

Plus, steel is much more versatile: you can carve or stamp a design into a piece of soft steel alloy, and then temper it to make it harder and tougher. I don't think you can do that as easily with a piece of titanium.
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It sure makes a pretty spy plane though.

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Also depends strongly on the alloy. Ti is harder than soft steel but softer than hard steel. So the dies and the blanks would need special treatment.
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By now possibly every country on Earth has tried every possible metal for coinage. I wouldn't doubt it if even radioactive materials have been tried. Picture that. All your coins would be easily found in the dark since they would be glowing. And get enough together and they just blow themselves up. No waste. Of course there would always be those that oomplain about looseing their hair from their coins. I think someone in the past had a post about all the different metals used in coinage.
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I was unaware titanium easily anodized. But, since Canada and Austria seem to like niobium for their anodized coinage, is this a real advantage not being the only metal for such coloring? Most titanium coins I see are trimetallic.
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Will we see plastic coins in the future


Almost did. 1942 US Pattern Cents, made out of plastic. Sure glad they went with zinc plated steel instead.

However, as far as Titanium goes, one can use the crystal bar process to create titanium iodides and then decompose them to form relatively high purity metal, without the need to melt it. There are other processes, some using copper, others iron, others manganese to then decompose the resulting molecules to form pure metal. It's not that it's too costly to do (the price of titanium metal is due to the cost of creating the pure metal), it's just that titanium has many uses (especially titanium dioxide) and that the US mint doesn't want to import the metals used for its coinage (and the US doesn't have much of the natural reserves of the major titanium bearing rocks...although the US produces from the ore the 4th most titanium sponge)...
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but it catches on fire before it melts


Find me a forge and some titanium... that would be better than floating aluminum coins on water

On the subject of aluminum, I remember my geology teacher saying it used to be expensive to process ore to get aluminum, so it was considered a semi- to full precious metal, malleable, almost impossible to corrode, sounds like gold aside from the light weight. The Washington monument was originally caped by a solid pyramid of aluminum, because it was so rare.

Compressed coal powder and porcelain coins have been tried too. just talked about that the other day. https://goccf.com/t/167420
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