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1912-D Barber Dime (G04) Minting Error

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Hey Folks! Brand new to the forum and just began collecting again after a 40 year break and now doing this with my wife and son.

Thanks for the warm welcome and any advice.

I got a 1912-D Barber from a bullion store for $2.00 that was mixed in with Mercs which is what I mainly collect.

This Barber has about a 15-25 ? degree (haven't measured it) misalignment error between the obverse and reverse. The actual strike is even and normal.

Anyone seen this? Does it add value? Any info is appreciated folks!

Happy hunting! Bruce
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Welcome to Coin Community. I'm guessing you drive airplanes for a living? We have at least one other commercial aviator here, to my knowledge, who is egoless and won't demean you even though he drives Triple Sevens.

May I assume that you're describing a rotation visible when you flip the coin along its' horizontal axis? This is Die Rotation, a common-enough anomaly in minting. Some issues are known for it. Generally, you'll find it to be a curiosity (as opposed to a value-added feature) until at least the point where it's 90 degrees or more, and in most cases needs to be even greater than that.
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Thanks Dave.....yep, I drive 737s for American out of Miami. Small jet! :-). Thanks for the knowledge! Got kind of excited when I noticed it...the adrenaline rush of numismatics ( if such a thing exists). Bruce
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Quote:
the adrenaline rush of numismatics ( if such a thing exists)


Oh, yeah, it does.
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Hey Dave-do you have an opinion on professional coin grading. I'm collecting only FSB Mercs (ungraded) and thought it would be wise to have the coins graded and placed in a protective holder. PCGS charges 20-32 bucks. Is that the prevailing rate? Other avenues? Thanks! Bruce
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I'm going to answer with what you want to know, and not what you're asking. Bear with me.

FSB Mercs are not uncommon, except with certain issues and in certain grades. The first thing for you is to determine which of your coins have sufficient value to warrant putting in to a slab, and by "value" I mean something greater than just how much money you can liquidate them for. You need to be comfortable grading them, knowledgeable of which issues are rare in FSB and/or Conditional Rarities, aware of which are more liquid in the marketplace than others (price is a combination of both rarity and demand), and set on your long-term intent for these coins.

We're going to assume that your interest in slabbing relates to your concern for those who will follow, and inherit your holdings. It should be relatively obvious that you'll want your heirs to be aware of the value of these coins, and therefore will have specific language written somewhere (in your will, in a detail addendum to it, in a "hold until my death" letter, something). This is far more important than having the coins in slabs. Your heirs will be just as quickly taken advantage of whether the coins are in slabs or not, if they proceed without accurate knowledge of what they have.

And knowing that, you'll be able to tell them which of your coins need to receive that extra attention - slabbing, bespoke auctions - when the time comes.

Wait for that time for slabbing. Task your Executor with the job. I say this because (to my mind) the handwriting is on the wall regarding the mid-term future of the slabbing industry. Already, they've exhausted (essentially) the collectable-coin market - pretty much everything old which deserves a slab is in one. They're now being held up by the less-than-expert market; the Home Shopping Networks of the world where "First Issue" propaganda allows them to leverage unknowing buyers into paying more than the true worth for coins which ought to just be spent.

This is not a sustainable business model. I do not believe the landscape will look like it does today, ten years from now. I do not believe there will be as many TPG's then. Heck, the survivor(s) may not even carry the same name(s) as the current competitors.

Today, for most issues, PCGS is the slab you want your coins in, for their superior performance in the marketplace. However, that statement is not as true as it was five years ago. The field is leveling somewhat because we, the buyers, are (thanks to instant information dissemination via the Internet) becoming far better educated far more quickly than ever before. We have instant access to highly knowledgeable peers, huge high-resolution images and large databases of prior sales results. Numismatic decisions are being made in the harsh light of reality when before much was about rumor and incomplete information.

Don't slab your coins. Not yet. We can have no reasonable opinion of what the world will look like when the time comes for your eligible coins to be presented in slabs - or whatever the solution is, then, or who the 800lb gorilla in the field will be. The physical cost will go up by then, but one reasonable inference is that such cost will remain tied to the actual value of the coin - nothing else would be profitable.

You cannot make a decision today which will guarantee the best-possible outcome for those who will benefit from the decision. This isn't the world they will live in. The best you can do is to codify all possible information about your coins, ensure that it is known that they will benefit from specific additional handling when the time comes, and trust those who follow you.

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Well put SsuperDdave!
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Thanks Dave.....that was quite an education and I truly appreciate you taking the time to do so. Not sure where this is going as far as an inheritance or business on the side. I just know I like collecting. Look forward to conversing with you further. Out flying....Bruce
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OK, for business purposes: my personal dividing line is $150 in value, or an issue where authentication/counterfeiting is a known possibility.
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