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1863 Indian Head Cent - Shattered Die

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This is the seller's pic, I don't have the coin in hand yet. I love this nice worn example - you can see die cracks all over the coin.

Interestingly, my coin is from the dies as a coin that Charmy the penny lady was selling recently. Hers was MS62 and slabbed by PCGS with 'Shattered Die' on the holder. There certainly can't be many of these out there!


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 Posted 01/23/2014  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uchihadesendent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coin
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Holy Cow, how was that thing still striking coins?
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That is crazy, even check out the weakness on the bottom of the wreath!
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That is crazy, even check out the weakness on the bottom of the wreath!


Interesting. I can't wait to see the obverse.
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I don't usually go for cracks, but I really like this coin.
So I'm guessing the only reason this die held together that long was because it was the anvil w/ a collar around it?
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Seller's pic of obverse.

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the reverse of these copper nickel cents is often found misaligned, so I think the reverse die was the hammer die. Do I have the logic of that right?
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That's amazing. Cracks all over the place on that coin.
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I recall that for FE cents, the hammer die was the reverse--but I thought that was switched for IHCs?
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good sleuthing 52Raymo - that coin is from the same die! And a bit overpriced at $85 in that condition cleaned.
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On FE cents, the anvil die was the obverse, but when IHC were minted the hammer die became the obverse which I believe is more typical of most coins. I believe I read this on the Heritage auction site where they were quoting Snow. I cannot find the article now.

I believe the reasoning for making the obverse the anvil die on FE was to increase striking pressure on the obverse in an attempt to correct some of the striking issues that plagued the FE cents.
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Man, I love coins struck from terminal dies and this one qualifies big time. Nice pick!
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Beatlybailey, I believe the FE and copper-nickel cents were struck similarly, then they reversed the hammer/anvil dies when the composition was switched to bronze in 1864.
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Robbudo, I am not going to disagree with you because what you are saying makes a lot of sense-that they did not reverse the dies until the metal composition was changed on the IHC. However, I am pretty sure the article stated that the switch was made in 1859. Its not a big deal but it bugs the heck out of me when I know I read something but can't locate the article.
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