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Hello all, I am new here and have read a few post related to 1804 Half Cents and I know there is some of you out there with the knowledge to help me. I recently acquired two 1804 Half Cents, both are very similar. After researching for weeks, I have come to the conclusion it may be a Cohen 3 (spikeless spiked chin), however I would really appreciate yall's opinion. I have tried posting these pictures a couple times without success so I hope you guys can see them..    And I know its hard to tell in the photo, but the 4 is a crosslet 4 and nearly touching the drapery, also the zeros are separated quite a bit. I included an image that I have drawn lines to show the similarities between my coin and that of the coin pictured on the PCGS coin facts page of this coin. Here is a photo of the "coin facts" C3 coin with lines ( this was taken from a post that someone else posted here back in 2013)  |
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Also, I forgot to mention, there is no spike on the chin, it can look a little deceiving, however it is only the way environmental stress has made the coin a bit porous giving it a little bit of a spiked look.
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I've spent the last hour on this coin, and I can't see a reason not to think this is the C-5 die pair. Without the spikes and cracks, that would make this C-3. However, this is not a specialty for me so let's await further opinion.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Well it is the right obv and rev die pair, but that doesn't help because that is true on both C-3 and C-5. The problem is these is corrosion right in the areas you need to see to determine which it is. You might be able to tell something in hand by verifing die state but I just can't tell with these images and the corrosion/envronmental damage.
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Pillar of the Community
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After using Greg Heim's excellent Half Cent Quickfinder book (90 seconds or so) I come up with Cohen-3. Here is a photo of the 1804 page, for those that have not used it. Sure makes attributing Half Cents quick! I recommend it to anyone into Half Cents, a very inexpensive book and very valuable for it's contents.   "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Thank you everyone that's taken the time to respond. I have a second coin that's looks exactly like this one but I would have to think it couldn't be another of this type. I have never gotten a coin graded before, would it be worth doing that with this piece?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Westcoin, all the Helms book does is narrow it down to C-3 or C-5 it doesn't separate those two. I think you would need the anley book on Half Cent die states to possible separate the two because of the corrosion in the area where the "spiked chin" would be. Fro looking at the C-3 and C-5's in the Whister and issouri collections it looks to be later than C-3 Manley State 2.0 and possibly earlier than C-5 Manley 3.0 but that is as close as I can get it with what I have available. |
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Westcoin, all the Helms book does is narrow it down to C-3 or C-5 it doesn't separate those two. Agreed I was adding this quote in to come to that conclusion; Quote:
Also, I forgot to mention, there is no spike on the chin, it can look a little deceiving, however it is only the way environmental stress has made the coin a bit porous giving it a little bit of a spiked look. I have the Manley Die States book as well, I have not used it on this coin posting, if I have time I will see what I can discern, but yes the points needed to positively ID this one may be too far corroded to tell with 100% certainty. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I will try to take some better angled pictures. When looking through a loop at any angle, it is clear to see the smooth roundedness of the chin with no spike. I do appreciate everyone that has taken the time to input on this coin. As I have mentioned before, I have another coin in question that I will post, similar to the current coin in question. Any additional input would be greatly appreciated.
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