Whh 1840-56 Token, Cast Fake

These are the types of Jacksons that I'm thinking of. I have 2 varieties - not dated, and they are 1824 campaign tokens/medals, not HHTs.

Very nice. They fit the time period and they circulated, so they are included by Rulau

Instead of using HT-80 and up, he added another zero to expand the available numbers, so in his catalog they are HT-800 and higher. But almost all are holed for wear, so that's a strong indication of their political purpose. But then, a lot of the more typical Hard Times tokens were political too, and the term "Jackson Tokens" refers to a wide spread of them, many of which circulated because of the unstable currency of that time period and, of course, Jackson's battle with the banking system.

In a similar way, Civil War tokens can be lumped together or separated into Store Cards or Political tokens, and further into Lincoln tokens, or state tokens, and so on.

Anyway, these oldies are great fun and can be tailored to fit any budget.

-Duncan

PS: Mackwork, I have your WHH 1840-49 in my records - if you bought it in July of last year, you did OK! The seller has a very strong following of course, so it's pretty competitive bidding for his stuff.

I don't have very many - well, I just took a look and counted 16 from HC-1840-1 to WHH 1840-55, so more than I remembered, but nothing outside the 1840 date. Your AJACK tokens are of course quite desirable, being early. And some of the later ones can be a bit obscure but very desirable.

I was prepared to tell you I collect like a magpie, picking up anything that shines. But I seem to be more focused than I realized.

It's nice that you have the Sullivan, I depend on auction records to identify the varieties, which is really why I started to keep tabs on the some of the sales. Rulau's "Hard Times Tokens" is good, but it's nice to have better images, and as long as I was storing images I added sales data too. Sort of a home-made catalog with a scattering of recent sales being added to keep it up-to-date. It gets really interesting when the same tokens keep recirculating by repeat sales, seeing how they resell and how well or poorly they are photographed or scanned each time.

-Duncan

PS: Oh, I forgot, speaking of home-made records, my images for WHH-1840-52 show a small date, smaller than yours. How does DeWitt/Sullivan describe it? The small date variety seems to have a small population.

Duncan - There are 6 Harrison medals of this type listed in Sullivan, with the "In the Year" "1840" on the reverse. All are extremely similar, and I have to admit hard to tell apart, without pictures of each type. The obverses can be slightly different as well (bars on the coat, star number on epaulet, etc.), and things such as the blobs of chimney smoke, barrel rings, etc. are reverse identifiers. I'm not even convinced that DeWitt & Sullivan identified all of the varieties.

57 different political tokens for Harrison in 1840 (not counting buttons, etc.)! More if you count different medal types for each of those. The token minters went crazy with Harrison in 1840, only to have the poor guy dies after 30 days in office.

On the WHH 1840-52, he does mention that on the reverse that "letters and numerals in lower inscription slightly smaller. Looking at your reverse versus mine, the placement of the "In the Year" looks higher on your token, and lower on mine. I think "In the Year" is smaller text on my token? Tough call, and I could be wrong on mine. Of all of my campaign medals this was the toughest to ID. The 2 blobs of chimney smoke on mine don't fit the 3 blobs of smoke mentioned for the primary description, but then there are description comments such as "similar to", so I just don't know. Do you have any mention in Rulau of the number of blobs of smoke? I'm open to relabeling mine if I'm incorrect. I still think it might be an unlisted variety.

Do you have a picture of your obverse?

satxwd - looking forward to seeing it!

Duncan - to add to the confusion I found two 1840-52 examples from the same seller. Both with differences in the text & date area at the bottom of the reverse. Go figure!

The first looks like yours?

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http://www.oldpoliticals.com/lot-8024.aspx

the second looks more like mine:

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http://www.oldpoliticals.com/lot-8042.aspx

I give up. :)

Yeah, I went Googling last night and found that pair, too!

Here's the obverse of the WHH 1840-52 from my files...



Oh, and about the Rulau catalog and these varieties, well that's another reason I wanted my own files on these, Rulau just barely touches on them in his "Hard Times Tokens 1832-1844", and the text doesn't always seem to match up with the images. He describes just three of the "1840" varieties, and one (Rulau #815) looks like WHH 1840-51 and is cross referenced as being WHH 1840-54!

-Duncan