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I would like to start out by saying that I haven't had this much fun in awhile talking to some of the good people of this community! I am not an expert in the authentication of coins and what I've found in the past is a lot of people telling me that if it hasn't already been discovered then it never will or if it isn't in writing then it must not be achievable. I have seen a lot of open minded contributers in these forums and am impressed. Now I do admit that sometimes I have too much time on my hands and can come up with some pretty outlandish what IF's. But on occasion it becomes worthwhile :-) I always accept constructive criticism BTW. I was trying to read up on the 1808 British Penny (not going to get into detail) and came across a website where a person had said that he had come across a copper coin dated 1808 and matched other Pennies of that era. A person assigned to his topic simply replied it's a fake and didn't mention his credentials or in my opinion a glimmer of a reason why. Now could one of the most powerful nations of the time really just decided to mint one penny for the entire year? Sure they could have. But I would at least expect a reply like " well the chances are it could be a forgery, but considering there may be something there I would suggest doing some research and getting a second opinion". I am going to start posting some of my what if coins. If you don't think it is what I think it is that is perfectly fine and I expect some NO's but what's a forum without some controversy lol! Here is what I believe to be one of the (yes I believe there are more) proof 1917 pennies. It has 90° flat rim and some of the most mischievous deception I have ever come across. Brenner was never a fan of matte proofs. It wasn't a secret. This is why I couldn't believe the irony of this coin. I noticed some displacement when I chose to put the coin in distilled water b/c of a tiny bit of annoying residue. I didn't scrub or touch the surface in anyway. Before my eyes the coin became matte grey. When I took it out it went rt back to the regular yellowish patina. Perplexed I did the reverse. Here are the pics in the distilled water for a very short period of time. On the reverse I'll let you decide what is coming off the wheat but it goes rt back to normal as soon as it is out of the water.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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 ..Hflirn to CCF I'm afraid your coin is too dark to make any evaluation, can you lighten the photo for us? |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
586 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
586 Posts |
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Canada
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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That is a business strike one. Not a matte proof. The rim is not the only clue. The devices are much stronger on a matte proof.   The wide rim is common on the 1909-1918 cents. Your coin has the wide rim. The 1909-1917 cents (The ones without the V.D.B on the reverse) did not have a VDB on the obverse until 1918 forward. Edited by coop
01/26/2014 10:45 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thank you all for your replies. I am taking this coin to a specialist which I have never done. The reason I'm doing this is b/c this coin has just let down some of its walls and it is one of the most breathtaking experiences of my life.
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Thank you all for your replies. I am taking this coin to a specialist which I have never done. The reason I'm doing this is b/c this coin has just let down some of its walls and it is one of the most breathtaking experiences of my life.
You just read a post from the "specialist." Whomever you take the coin to, be it the foremost "specialist" in the country, is just coop's equal, not his better. You don't think the real experts are just sitting in offices somewhere, right? |
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United States
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I didn't mean it like that. You guys are great. By specialist I mean there is a mural hidden on the reverse I think in tribute to VDB and I'm not touching it so someone who can clean off whatever booby trapped die they used to conceal it. I value everyone here's opinion
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hidden murals? Booby trapped dies? What are you talking about?
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Mural ?
What are those bubbles on the coin ?
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What are those bubbles on the coin ? Air bubbles. As he said, he's dropped the coin into water, and taken the pic while the coin is underwater. Coins look different when wet. It's a fact. It's not magic, and not a sign of a secret conspiracy to hide things in plain sight. There's no such thing as "booby-trapped dies", or secret hidden murals on coins; if there were, people would have heard about them long before now. Sorry, but as far as I and everyone else can tell from your photos, your coin is a perfectly ordinary, well-worn 1917 cent. I am seeing a crack of some kind running from the B in LIBERTY up to the back of Lincoln's head, but the pics aren't clear enough for me to tell whether it's a planchet flaw or a die crack or merely a long scratch. I'm not seeing anything unusual at all on the reverse, though the pics are very blurry. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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It was a moment of insanity LOL! Isn't everyone allowed one occasionally :-) In all reality I came across some die clashes previously and was on 3 hrs sleep...
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Posted 01/26/2014 06:37 am
