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Counterfeit For Sure----But How?

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 Posted 02/15/2014  10:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a 1858 fake 20 cent piece that I bought because of the doubled A----it is very worn, and bought it because I thought it was a struck coin and hence the doubling.
But all other indicators point to casting----what do you think-----I think this is a very old counterfeit---will be posting more photos. Coin was indented from the reverse.
Could this be a trial piece done by an engraving apprentice on a trial planchet? If it is a fake why was it done so badly?

Counterfeit-For-Sure----But-How?

Counterfeit-For-Sure----But-How?

Counterfeit-For-Sure----But-How?
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02/16/2014 12:32 am
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 Posted 02/15/2014  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bm0ney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think if it is a 20 cent coin it is 1858, not 1958.
Why the heck did you buy it and for how much?
Is it even silver?
Where did you buy it and before I was showing off my newest counterfeit I would check if it is legal to buy sell trade possess these things.
I have a funny habit of throwing them in the garbage.
Enjoy.
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 Posted 02/15/2014  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bm0ney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Re read. Did you buy it thinking it was real?
Understanding your dilema more if so.
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 Posted 02/15/2014  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To bmoney------I bought it because it may have been a failed trial piece that escaped the mint process----stolen from the mint----there are a handful of 1858 trial pieces that are Charlton valued at $ 35,000.
So greed set in----but was disappointed when in hand---Weight was one gram shy---therefore a fake. But it is still nice to own this fake because it is so old and so obvious.
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 Posted 02/15/2014  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post pics of both sides of the full coin?
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 Posted 02/16/2014  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unreal!
Quite crudely copied.
Contemporary counterfeit likely.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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02/16/2014 01:08 am
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Whats the weight?..I wonder what kind of metal that is. It appears silver in the pics but I'm no expert.
It does look crude with heavy wear. hhmmm..
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Quote:
-there are a handful of 1858 trial pieces that are Charlton valued at $ 35,000.


That posiblity would focus my attention.

Too bad it is fake.
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I've never in my life pursued an object because it was stolen. Wow. Almost as bad as that Canadian here who openly uses foreign coins in vending machines.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Non magnetic---------Weight 3.6 gms vs. 4.65 for a good one
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Would sure look nice in my set......LOL MM
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 Posted 02/18/2014  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the date seems to be 1868 to me.
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 Posted 02/18/2014  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had to check that date again----at X90---a badly worn 1858 it turned out to be.
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