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1934A $5 Silver Certificate - North Africa Emerg. Issue

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Comments/grade on this note?

1934A-$5-Silver-Certificate---North-Africa-Emerg.-Issue
1934A-$5-Silver-Certificate---North-Africa-Emerg.-Issue
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 Posted 02/16/2014  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks very nice, no folds or tears. No stains. A bit uncentered on the reverse.

Overall very nice note, I would say CU 64
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02/16/2014 11:49 am
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 Posted 02/16/2014  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a beautiful example of this type. I'd say Uncirculated.

I have one but mine is nowhere near this condition. I paid $40 for it several years back.

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 Posted 02/16/2014  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice looking note.
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 Posted 02/16/2014  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UNC-64.
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comments: WOW, beautiful
UNC .. such a beautiful note ..
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I appreciate the comments.. Thanks!
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I agree, it looks UNC for sure, but how can some of you guys grade by the numbers only from a scan I see a few saying it's a 64, why not a 63, or here's an idea, how bout a 63.6, now that would be a good way for the TPG's to make a few more $$$ off the currency collectors, they could use the point system.

No matter what grade number, it is a very nice looking note and no one should be ashamed to have it in there collection. It has very nice eye appeal, but after doing this for a very long time I cant say what number it is from just a scan, and being that there is no universal grading standers it would depend what TPG is doing the grading
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Comments/grade on this note?


He asked for opinions @Bill Collector, and our opinions, based on what we saw, is what he got.

When I buy or assess currency, I use PCGS scale to form an opinion,


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"64" is an intermediate grade reserved for notes that are better than Choice New but that don't quite reach the Gem grade. Such notes may have minor faults such as a couple of unobtrusive counting marks, ink or handling smudges, a single pinhole, or a rounded corner tip. The centering or margins will be better than average but may fall just short of that required for the Gem grade. It will still be an above average note, should have good eye appeal, and should not have any major blemishes or faults that are readily evident. A note at this grade level that receives the "PPQ" designation will likely have margins or centering that are slightly narrow or off center, but will possess complete originality.


In my opinion, this bill fell into that catagory. And that is the opinion I expressed.
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02/17/2014 2:54 pm
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I grade it beautiful we can all agree to that
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"I grade it beautiful we can all agree to that"

That's for sure, guys I understand that it was only your
"opinion". What I wanted to know was how you came up with that ""opinion" from a scan.

Like I said, I've been at this a long time and I cant do it, thought maybe I could learn something from you "experts" guess not. Well my opinion is it's a 63.6, that's my opinion and I know it has no value but I'm stickin to it.
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"I grade it beautiful we can all agree to that"


I can most definitely agree to that

I too have been at this a long time, perhaps the OP hasn't. When asked for an opinion, I find it helpful to give people something they understand and can "use", if you will, . Such as a numerical scale that the TPG's provide. You and I know exactly what an UNC bill infers, but someone new to bills, has no clue what an UNC bill has or is lacking. The numerical scales, and associated text, tells them exactly what they have and what it is lacking in a better quality bill. I apologize @WheatBack, if I overstepped in assuming that wheat cents were your passion and that you were not well versed in currency grading and more comfortable with an opinion more like the Sheldon scale for coins.


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thought maybe I could learn something from you "experts" guess not.


Un-necessary
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There's a lot of things in life that are unnecessary, but that's life. It's very nice to see others helping other collectors, but Bad opinions are not good.

There's got to be a better way and I think it's much better to tell it the way it is. If you have been at this a long you know as well as any other long time collectors that there is no way any of us can grade from a scan.

We all seem to agree it's a very nice looking note, but misleading new collectors into thinking a note can be graded from a scan is not being helpful to them. I'm sure you didn't intend to mislead anyone but most times it's best to tell it the way it is, not the way you or anyone else thinks it should be. You know as well as I that sometimes the TPG's cant get it right and they have the note in there hand.

I try not to give opinions that may be hurtful later on, then again it may grade a 65. ?. Sorry if I upset you by asking just how you came up with your "opinion" from a scan.
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There's a lot of things in life that are unnecessary, but that's life.


NO........personal attacks on other members for their opinions are not necessary and not that's life, in this forum. I know the moderation team won't tolerate it

I have no problem explaining how I form my opinions and I did just that. If anyone would like my resume of almost 50 years of collecting coins and notes, I can provide that too. People come here , established collectors and newcomers, looking for guidance and opinions, emphasis on OPINIONS. I suspect that you have a problem with TPG's, I don't, they are becoming a necessary evil if this hobby is going to flourish. Giving someone an opinion using TPG guidelines " is bad advice ?" THAT is your opinion. Is using PCGS photograde as a guideline to offer opinions on people's coins BAD advice too?

This would be a dead forum if every answer to the hundreds and hundreds of posts every week looking for help, opinions, comments, and guidance was

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What are your opinions/grade on this Morgan Dollar


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No one can give an opinion from a photo



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Uh......ok, what does everyone think of this Silver Cert. ?


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No one can give an opinion from a scan



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Okaaaay.........and this Walking Liberty ?


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No one can give an opinion from a photo, it looks nice though



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Thanks for all the help, I am glad I joined. Won't be coming back


This is a place to talk about coins


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I try not to give opinions that may be hurtful later on ....


It is not WebMD, no one is going to commit euthanasia, because they read that the lump on their foot may be a tumor. And no one, coming here looking for guidance is going to sell their $2000 Porthole Bill for $50 , because "Bob The Billman" with 50 posts , told him it looked "worn"

And most certainly it helps no one for you and I to trade barbs because we disagree. So I will shut up now, and let this thread get back to business.
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02/17/2014 6:59 pm
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The only draw backs I see are the reverse centering and what appears to be some brown oxidation/staining in the letters "TAT" in States at the top of the reverse.

Maybe that's why it is not already TPG'd?
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"No one can give an opinion from a scan"

"Okaaaay.........and this Walking Liberty ?"

"No one can give an opinion from a photo, it looks nice though"

"Thanks for all the help, I am glad I joined. Won't be coming back"

So, I guess this same thing goes on with Coins.

Then you say:
"This is a place to talk about coins"
No this is NOT the place to talk about coins, This is the Paper Money section of CCF, it's the place to talk about US Paper Money. Paper Money is totally different than Coins.

And just because the Coin and Paper Money graders have the same name, PCGS, it's not the same Co.

I understand that PCGS Coins have a very good rep when it comes to grading Coins, when it comes to grading Paper Money it's a well known fact that you should have your notes graded by PCGS because right or wrong it will always grade your notes higher that the other graders.

denco7,
This was never about personal attacks on other members because of their opinions, it was a legit question that I asked, if you think I made personal attacks on other members you are sadly mistaken, but if that's the way your thinking process works so be it.

I will NOT comment on this thread any longer because no one can learn anything from it, it's now only about me and you disagreeing with each other, and will only get worse as it's lost the ability for any one to learn anything from it.
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