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ANACS Vs PCGS/Ngc

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 Posted 02/20/2014  4:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mclark229 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi new to these forums and wanted to know about certain grades from the top three companies.

I've been working on completing my Lincoln collection and down to the last three (09S VDB, 14D, and 22 plain). I'm currently looking at buying a 14D and it's graded VF30 from ANACS. Is a VF30 from ANACS the same as VF30 from PCGS/NGC?

I know in the past the three companies were looked at as the same, however recently it seems that ANACS is falling behind and that collectors/dealers would rather have something slabbed by PCGS/NGC.

Sorry for being so long winded, but any advice would be appreiciated. Thanks
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Regardless of what the Kool Aide drinkers will say, they all grade by the same standards. They all follow the same business models. They all do the same things.

To answer your question, maybe yes, maybe no. Any grader at any company can over or under grade a coin. You can NOT say PCGS or NGC automatically means the grade is correct. If that were true, you would not have a company grading the grades as CAC does.

I send my coins to ANACS. There has not been a single case of someone saying they over graded my coins. For that matter, two have been described as UNDER graded by folks here. The ONLY time I purchase PCGS or NGC coins is if there is a label design I want, or the deal is too good to pass up.
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Its really not kool aide drinking its just a reality of the market. The market reality is ANACS coins arent treated the same as PCGS/NGC ones. They sell for lower prices and of the top coins that are slabbed theyre almost exclusively in PCGS/NGC holders at this point. There was a time when they were all seen more as equals but that time has passed and the gap is growing. Fewer and fewer non details more expensive coins seem to be ending up in the new yellow ANACS holders. The old white ANACS olders are generally viewed more favorably than the new yellow ones though.

As far as is a vf 30 from them the same, the answer is really yes and no. There are ANACS coins that would cross over no problem and the more expensive the coin the more likely someone will try that with it. However, as long as its in the ANACS holder its not going to get PCGS/NGC prices. The only way to get PCGS/NGC prices is to have it in a PCGS/NGC slab.

Theres various reasons why dealers send different things to different services. The majority will send their strongest best coins to PCGS/NGC even when theyre cherry picking what goes to what service. Boarderline coins you may pick and choose who you think will be more likely to give the coin the benefit of the doubt for the higher grade or just send where ever is the cheapest at the moment ect. Everyone has their own reasons for why they do what they do but overall they would rather have everything in PCGS/NGC and be able to get the higher prices for it.

That said there are some nice coins in ANACS holders you can spot with a good eye and get cheaper. On the flip side though if you sell it the next person probably isn't going to pay much more than you did which was why you got the deal on it in the first place.


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You can NOT say PCGS or NGC automatically means the grade is correct. If that were true, you would not have a company grading the grades as CAC does.


Its true theres always a percentage of coins from any company over and undergraded though the overall percentage is small.

But thats not what CAC does. They arent grading whether or not the grade is correct, theyre grading whether or not its a strong or premium example for its grade and its eye appeal which arose from discrepancies between bid prices and what dealers could actually get sight unseen. doesn't mean its graded wrong but you could have a very strong technical xf 40 or 45 even graded as an xf 40 but that doesn't necessarily mean itll be pleasing to what most people look for in eye appeal.
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Bottom line is know the coin you are buying so you can grade it yourself without relying on the holder. A phrase I read a lot on this forum is, 'Buy the coin and not the holder.' I just saw two slabbed 1909-S VDBs sell on ebay. Both were VG10, and one was clearly better than the other, but they both sold for the same amount. Just 'cause a holder says VF20, I want to make sure for myself that it is.
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 Posted 02/20/2014  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tonyparson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been notching the ANACS coins prices are a lot cheaper then PCGS or NGC, that's why I asked the same question on here yesterday. I'm new and I thought MS70 grading was the same with all three companies, but boy was I wrong.
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PCGS < NGC < ANACS
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