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PCGS MS 66 1964 Kennedy - Really?

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Were the graders all asleep when this came through? This is only the 2nd finest so I guess the finest would be a lot sharper.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-KENNED...em5d3fd099ab

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I like some toned coins...but this is not one of them.

May be one of those "fake slabs".

This coin sold for $90 in Sept. 2009 through TeleTrade;

Superb Gem Uncirculated, of overall exceptional strike and luster. Attractive mottled red and blue-olive tones enhance the obverse.

...just not seeing the appeal.
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I agree, not seeing it on this one. Even though it is the "second finest" it looks like it really took a beating and the hair looks kind of flat. Usually toning adds to the eye appeal, in this case I think it pretty much kills any eye appeal.
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The picture may not be doing the toning justice on that. That said I'm guessing thats one that the toning used to look nice on but has since turned
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i don't get it. At least its 20% off now...
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As oih82w8 pointed out, it sold on TeleTrade back in 2009 for $90.

50C 1964 MS 66 PCGS
Superb Gem Uncirculated, of overall exceptional strike and luster. Attractive mottled red and blue-olive tones enhance the obverse. Designed by Frank Gasparro, this coin was the last minted piece made of 90% silver.


Description DOES match the ebay coin. I see the red, and blue-olive tones, but I don't see the grade or think that the toning adds anything to the coin at all.

With 961 in MS-66 and 31 MS-67, I'm sure you could find a much better example for far less than the asking price of $236.

Here are 2 MS-66s. (Est. $125-$150)

http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...te=1&lot=815
http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...te=1&lot=816

And one at MS-67 (Est. $700 and UP)

http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...e=1&lot=1565

I like both the MS-66 coins better that the ebay listed coin and final cost should be about half.

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Maybe they just graded the Reverse
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Not a fan of this coin at all.
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Looks like the end coin from a roll.
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Now after that try picturing an MS-64 or -63.
Based on that also an MS-60 would be a real mess.
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I wouldn't pay that for ANY bootlegger half unless it was certified to have walked on the Moon.

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I clicked on this old post for some reason and the OP's link happens to go to a different coin now. The PCGS ID is 25333418, just in case the ebay listing photos expire, you can view it here http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/25333418/ I would guess that the original link works because it's the same seller, but I could be wrong.

The PCGS Cert list the value at $250 and the seller wants $9500. Now this coin does have some vivid toning, but does this make the coin worth 38 times the listed value?

I have a couple of toned Peace dollars, but I didn't pay any extra for the toning.

How do you figure the value of a toned coin over the value of a blast white coin of the same grade? I've seen 5 X to 10 X the listed value on toned coins as a guide, but 38 X the value?

What would be the most you would pay for toning?

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How do you figure the value of a toned coin over the value of a blast white coin of the same grade?


Its just whatever you think someone will pay. The toning in the PCGS pictures does show an attractive coin, but I agree 9k is a huge stretch. Theres 5 66+ and 33 graded higher. Its not rare enough to command some stupid premium like that for toning. I could see someone paying 1k maybe even approach 2k, but 9500 no chance.
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Were the graders all asleep when this came through? This is only the 2nd finest so I guess the finest would be a lot sharper.


I refrain from commenting on other dealers' listings as a matter of course and professional courtesy. But regarding the coin per se, it is in an MS66+ holder. It is neither second finest nor third finest. A friend of mine has the sole MS68 PCGS 1964-D Kennedy half, an incredible coin with color and surfaces that blow this one away. As far as I know and can determine, there are no MS67+ coins at PCGS. And I and some other top Registry Set collectors own MS67 examples, of which PCGS has certified 32, likely including some duplications. So this coin is somewhere around 34th finest.
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