pics are terrible on the 51 but I think it is definetly got enough meat on the bone to make vf. The 50 has the weak 0 in the date that could be an N-24 which is R4 I think. Hard to tell if it has the line between the denticles and UNI on the reverse. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1851-Braide...p=true&rt=nc
I can't comment on the variety, but it looks like a solid VF. The reverse appears to have some detracting gunk buildup, but that's not much of an issue if it's the variety you're after.
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