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My Heart Attack Coin - 2000 50c Fake Or Genuine Error?

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 Posted 02/24/2014  07:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, went to my favourite bank today and my favourite teller had a Commonwealth of Aus $10 note for me and an absolutely gorgeous 1980 20c coin in mint condition.

BUT - when going through coins at her counter, I found the following coin:

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I went straight to my friend's house who has scales and it weighs 15gms (.50gms less than normal).

Macca's 2012 has a similar coin identified on page 137 and suggests it is a proof coin with the colour removed. However, this coin of mine has three small stars clearly incused as normal and a mark where the main star usually is - but no evidence of the Union Jack.

What are the thoughts out there?
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02/24/2014 08:03 am
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 Posted 02/24/2014  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first impression (without looking at a normal coin for comparison) is that it is a normal coin with a lot of the detail worn down.
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 Posted 02/24/2014  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi ozcoins, I was thinking acid, but the Union Jack outline is usually incused on a standard coin but there is no trace of the Union Jack on this one at all while three and a half of the incused stars are in evidence.

Sorry about the poor image quality, but I'm rather excited about this coin and couldn't wait until tomorrow to take piccies in a better light. Here it is next to a normal one.

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The planchet is thinner than most 50c coins.

And I just noticed the letters have that thick wedge shape I have seen written about elsewhere, but can't think where.

Need help from the CCF brains trust please.
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 Posted 02/24/2014  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sonic101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if it is what you say it is I'd be happy too
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 Posted 02/24/2014  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is that it's an extremely worn coin, has possibly been immersed in running water for a loooong time. Just the fact that it has the 'fat' letters indicates that it's a regular 2000 50c.

Definitely not a proof with the colour removed.
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 Posted 02/25/2014  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nancy, but I'm wondering if running water would remove .50grams of metal?

Also I'm thinking that running water would leave an uneven surface but both sides of this coin have the same flat background surface with the feint partial impression rising above this.

Here is a detail of the flag area that shows the raised surface of the flag design and the lettering, but no trace of the incused/engraved Union Jack outline while also showing the three incused/engraved stars.

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And the diameter of the coin and the flat rim faces, haven't changed, apart from normal point rounding with wear and tear, while the thickness is visibly uniformly thinner.

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 Posted 02/26/2014  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
now I am confused ...

I emailed info and piccies to Downies and had a reply saying it was (paraphrasing) a common error associated with this issue and worth maybe $30 to $40 on ebay.

Maybe they only looked at the fat wedgy lettering?
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 Posted 02/26/2014  05:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
My guess is that it's an extremely worn coin, has possibly been immersed in running water for a loooong time. Just the fact that it has the 'fat' letters




I think the absence of the union jack is just an indication of how worn it is. Perhaps some one used a sander on it with the hope of selling it on ebay.

I doubt it is an error coin. We just arn't used to seeing decimal coins this badly worn/
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I was thinking perhaps it had been sandblasted. To me that would remove the higher parts of the design and some metal / weight. It may have been a "fat lettered" coin initially as there seems to be a bulge in the middle of the I, [U] and M. I think perhaps the other letters may have been flattened and worn down by the sandblasting.

Sorry Awildeheart, you probably won't thank me for the opinion.

Edit: I don't know why this autocorrects the I, the letter [U] and M to I, you and M ...... anyhow I'll try again
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02/26/2014 07:03 am
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 Posted 02/26/2014  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first thought was a botched up fake,there was talk around some time ago that there were a heap of fakes of this coin,not sure if that rumour was true.
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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I replied to Downies' earlier response and subsequently they had a closer look at it and requested more images. So I scanned both sides of the coin at 90 deg rotations and sent them through yesterday.

Downies got back to me today and have said "It looks to be struck on an underweight blank" and they need to see it in the flesh for a final decision.

Wooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooo!

Now I don't feel so silly about doing that happy jig at the bank when I saw it.

Step one taken towards a unique error - hope it passes step two. Fingers crossed.
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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is quite positive Awildeheart

I really hope that works out to be the case!

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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Unicorn, I like this comment a lot more than your last one
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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... thought you might.
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 Posted 03/01/2014  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm puzzled - at first glance, I thought this coin has been dipped in acid. I used to do it during high school experiment and the results look somewhat similar to what is shown.
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 Posted 03/02/2014  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! gxseries, don't say it is so!

I'm clinging to hope that it's a genuine planchet error - at least until my dreams are formally dashed by Downies.

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