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 Posted 02/26/2014  10:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yingyang to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does any know how they do this ,people are getting rip off badly.



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This one wow

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 Posted 02/26/2014  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Photoshop ?
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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think so they were all sold on ebay,some how they were doctored .
Can I put the before and after price .
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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sir Seat I to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has to be photoshoped.

Even if you would wash these notes, you would still see the folds. Bills lose the printed color on their folds first. That's irreparable. And there is no way you can replace the missing part on the second note.

Also, you can see, that the prints are centered differently. For example the second note on the left has way more white paper on top than the note on the right.

Offering things like that on ebay is a fraud though. (unless they are marked as a copy)
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02/26/2014 11:33 am
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 Posted 02/26/2014  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Offering things like that on ebay is a fraud though.


Their lot of fraud going on ebay.
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 Posted 02/26/2014  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one sold for $197.51


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Then about 3 weeks later it sold for $305.00

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Some how they doctored the note, love to know how they did it.
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02/26/2014 12:28 pm
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 Posted 02/26/2014  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone is going to be awful displeased when they get the note in the first picture after using the photoshopped picture to determine a bid.

Plus whoever paid $200 for it to begin with, overpaid.
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02/26/2014 12:53 pm
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 Posted 02/26/2014  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1899 Black Eagle looks like it was washed then pressed using an iron to smooth out the folds.

There are ways to fix missing pieces as there are certified examples noting this restoration. How it's done I don't know.

It could also be photoshopped.

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These are not Photoshop,somehow they are altered .I can post over 2000 notes that sold like this on ebay.If they were Photoshop every one would get their money back makes no sense.
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 Posted 02/26/2014  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Bill Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This is not a photoshop job, it's a restoration, and most TPG's would not be able to detected a proper restoration. Some would call them doctored, others would say they were restored, bottom line is if a proper restoration can not be detected whose to say it's been doctored ?.
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This is a restoration of a missing piece. Not a very good one as most anyone that can grade can see what was done.
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Nice profit for a little restoration

$303
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$710
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 Posted 02/26/2014  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Bill Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe, maybe not.
Some restorations cost more than others.
And it also depends on who does the work. If the person doing the work is a real professional such as a museum document restorer, they don't come cheap. On the other hand if it's just someone learning the paper or document restoration trade they can come a lot cheaper, of course the work most likely will not be on a par with a real pro and many times it's easy to see that it's been messed with.

It looks like your $ 2.00 note had a bad burn mark on the right side, it can be very difficult to "fix" things like
that and it's costly.
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 Posted 02/26/2014  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Bill Collector ........ I know you are a man of strong opinions. What is your opinion of this kind note restoration >?

Good for the hobby to conserve these old notes or fraud and a detriment to the hobby ?
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Much of the restoration work that I have seen is done shoddily and I think ruins the collectability of the items in the marketplace today. Some of these notes are easy enough to "enhance" by washing the notes and then pressing them out to give them a more pleasing appearance. Other stuff like fixing holes is often times done with a paper mache like substance and then the design is redrawn. There is nothing about this that I would term as "conserving" a note, you are IMO ruining the note as you have put a shoddy foreign substance on it and redrawn it - most likely in an attempt to deceive. These notes then float out into the marketplace with inflated values when in fact they are only worth a fraction of the value they trade at.

Unfortunately, you won't be seeing the end of this kind of stuff anytime soon as the values that you can gain from doing restoration work are amazing. I have seen a dingy looking XF bison with deep folds magically transformed into a beautiful 45 PPQ with light folds, bright white paper, and lots of "eye appeal." That was about a $1,000 worth of value gained because someone knew what they were doing to enhance the look of the note, and truthfully unless you saw the before picture, you would never know. Some stuff, like low end VFs and lower you can tell has been tampered with, because nothing with that much show of circulation could possibly be that white, but the market will still pay a premium on it because it looks nice.
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I really don't know much about this BUT...

is it possible that the original is scanned, cleaned-up on the computer, and a copy is printed on antique paper?
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