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Odd Struck Through 1984 Cent

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The subject 1984 cent weighs 2.51 grams, so weight is normal. The third image shows signs of finning due to increased pressure from being struck through the obverse. The 1st and 2nd images reveal a ghost image of the queen and an odd pattern of ridges that has me wondering what the coin was struck through. Anybody have any ideas? Doesn't appear to be a capped die. Maybe struck through cloth leaving a weave appearance?

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Just thinking....maybe it was struck through a thin split planchet exhibiting a striated surface?
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I can see the fain image of the queen. Clearly, it is worth hanging on to.
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Planchet split after the strike... would be awesome to find the other piece.
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It looks like a split planchet. Why does it still weigh more than 2.5 grams? Why did extra metal push up between the collar and die?
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I thought that too at first but coin weighs normal so can't be split.
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Finning is from extra pressure caused by whatever was on the planchet when it was struck.
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https://goccf.com/t/165314

Hi. Not trying to hijack your thread but SPP ottawa commented on my split planchet penny a few months ago and this is what he said:

"A split planchet indeed. Split prior to the strike, and then struck underneath a regular blank planchet (obverse is the anvil die). Somewhere out there, is the other coin with only the reverse (probably a regular sized planchet)..."

thought maybe the 2 are related as SPP states.

nice coin by the way. cheers.

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As I already stated a few times, my coin weighs correct weight as normal cent so it can't be a split planchet. Yours clearly is thinner and weighs less than normal planchet. Not the same as mine.
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I am not saying that yours is a split planchet but that it was struck underneath a split planchet like mine. read the quote from SPP and picture your coin as the regular planchet struck under my coin.
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I stated early on that my coin may have been struck through a striated split planchet. I already understand how that error type occurs. It was not struck under a regular blank planchet and itself is not a split planchet.
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You are assuming the original planchet weight was correct to begin with... perhaps it was not... (i.e., why could this not be a 3.1 gram bronze planchet (Barbados, which was of equal diameter, 19.05 mm) that was split after the strike? DBM already pointed out the extra metal on the Rim Fin...
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Could it be struck through cloth?
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SPP-Ottawa....I would think that in your 1st response that you would have mentioned that the split planchet would have to have been on a foreign planchet, which is highly unlikely. What is likely is that it's on the intended normal planchet of a 1984 cent, since it is of almost exact specifications and that there would be no likely reason to consider anything else. It's merely struck through a normal planchet, the question remains what was it struck through. The finning doesn't add weight to the planchet, it's metal flow that is the result of excessive pressure from whatever got between the die and my planchet. My guess continues to be struck through a striated split planchet.
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Also, my coin has the mushy appearance of being struck through something thin. A split planchet after strike would have a more jagged and sharper appearance.
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All other things aside, regardless of planchet likelihood being Canadian or not, form analogy is what I was based my interpretation on. I have about dozen 1-cent coins, all split after the strike, with striations usually parallel to rolling marks, of various depths. That surface looks exactly like one of my post-strike split planchets. I also have coins (both bronze and nickel) that were struck through cloth and tape - Your coin looks nothing of a strike-through, especially one that goes all the way to the rim (collar), especially one that would yet retain an image of the Queen.

If it is a strike-through, then explain that surface.

A split foreign planchet, while unlikely, is quite plausible. The RCM minted more than 5 million bronze cents for Barbados in 1984...
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