Reales Help? Possible Bolivia 1684v + Vr?

The Heritage Newman coll. coin is a straight-up assayer VR piece... If you know anything about cobs, you know NOT to rely on (or sometimes even pay any attention to) what the grading co. attributes it as - experts (or even diligent) on these, they are not. The lower L and upper R assayer marks VR are of course clearly visible on the pillars side in spite of the doubling... and on the cross side, the area in question, it seems rather definite that the left fringe of the leg of "R" from a "VR" monogram is present, just before the transition into an unstruck (& slightly worn) area.

Regarding the cross-side date on what Sedwick called a V + VR (which is...questionable from the pics - "clear V"? it is? perhaps in hand... looks like it would require cleaning in that spot to verify) - whatever that coin may be, that crooked positioning is almost certainly simply due to Strike Doubling, endemic to Potosi of this period in general, similar to what you have on the pillars-side of the Heritage coin. That is not going to be replicated exactly on another coin...

Now, a bit of the cross-side date on the Heritage coin IS indeed visible, but in essentially its proper position, as there is no drastic doubling anywhere around that area... That "could" be a 4, from 84 or perhaps even 94, or something else.

You're ambitious with some of these attempted cherrypicks - have to know your stuff and do your homework.

Not saying V + VR is necessarily non-existent, or even that that piece is definitely NOT V + VR... just that it isn't at all certain from the photo (esp. with that hole being right there), even with Sedwick saying it (I've seen them give a few misattributions in the auctions - certainly not many, but it can happen).

As I said, regardless of that, you can't use the oddball date positioning as a clue n other pieces -- it is indicative of that coin's strike, nothing else.

"or maybe the bead can give a false representation when worn as vr..."

Or, if you examine carefully here, not.

or 83

thanks for that picture. it's good to see what it actually looks like. not really cherry picking. I just got into cobs, the coins purchased where because I was attracted to them for some reason and in my point of view are more alluring than any morgan therefore undervalued to me . it's not easy finding them without corrosion but I have just started so I don't know better.and I don't know anything, but I still like to look at things as a whole picture and I will rarely listen to what I'm told, I try to make sence of things and why they exist the way they do on my own. for instance many of the lines of the vr follow the lines of the beads by design. which I guess makes it really hard for me on this one. I bought this coin because ii thought it was attractive not because I thought it was a vr. I also bought a 82 potasi 2 reales that was nicely toned that appealed to me. .im not really a fan of the Diego 4 reales coin .if you know dealers that specialize in these coins that are graded please let me know.