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 Posted 03/05/2014  12:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just putting my last uncleaned batch into water...

I get a nice glimpse of silver again :)

This one looks like its going to be in good condition from first site.
Also seen a few silvered/ Billon coins in there :)

am I getting lucky or is it quite common to get these in amongst the uncleaned bronzes?

I have put the silver and suspected silvered/billon into water as normal. is it ok to brush these still (obviously gently)



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 Posted 03/05/2014  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quite rare to find silver uncleaned - especially whole coins, you've got very lucky. The silver can be treated like bronze (you can be a bit rougher with brushing too) but be careful, as silver can crystalise and turn brittle. Silvered coins must be very very carefully cleaned. You should be very light with brushing, and dont use olive oil, it can darken light silvering.

Fourrees, which are copper cores dipped in silver to make a coin which appears to be silver all the way through, have thicker coverings and can be cleaned slightly harder, but the silver can often flake off and the bronze might be BD riddled, so id exercise caution with those too until you've got better at it.

For silver coins - dont use metal on them, it will scratch. Also, this looks like an early empire denarius, so it could be worth a bit, so take care. A picture of the everse would be good.
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 Posted 03/05/2014  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's seldom that you find a silver coin in these lots. They are usually picked over and all the silver coins are removed. Looks like these two were overlooked so you lucked out.
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 Posted 03/05/2014  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin on the left, I would put into DW for a couple of days. Using a toothpick and starting at the point of the X on the legend, apply pressure just about 1mm into the black stuff. There is a chance that the pressure will fracture the dirt and it will flake off. Then move the toothpick another 1mm and do the same thing.

If the muck does not flake off, put it back into DW for another day and try again. Easy does it, it could be a nice coin under the crud. Any chance of a pic of the reverse?
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 Posted 03/05/2014  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not much to go on on the other side, but have given it a gentle brush to see if I can get a little more detail, The neck of the emperor looks similar to Echizento's picture... but I am sure many have the same kind of neck :)

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 Posted 03/05/2014  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, This came in a 'junk' lot of uncleaned :)
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From what I can make out of the obverse legend it looks like you may have a Domitian denarius.

Finding silver is rare. I've only found about six uncleaned silver coins in batches in my 15 years of cleaning ancient coins.
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 Posted 03/05/2014  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pish, what do you recommend, wooden or plastic toothpick?
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 Posted 03/05/2014  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Had a look through Domitian, I can see a couple of coins that could match the obverse.

The reverse I cannot match, but I am not sure if this is damaged on my coin, I cant tell yet, its kind of like its engraved on the silver patch showing but this may be part of the detail. I am looking forward to seeing this one once cleaned.

Ben, at the moment, I have only been using a toothbrush on the bronzes, should I really be getting a bronze brush?
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Mash, I would start with a wooden one, you will do less damage. You will know when you are ready to move on to more lethal implements. I use a scalpel and high magnification.

I agree with Paul, I think it could be Domitian. Now THATS what you call beginners luck.
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 Posted 03/05/2014  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
:)

I want to stay a beginner for a little while yet then!

Just having a look on ebay and they seem to range from £30 to £230 so I am guessing its a good emperor to have.
What basis are different emperors valued at? What makes them more desirable than others?
The only things I can think of is, an emperor who wasn't emperor for long will have less coins making them more valuable? and I guess older is probably rarer?
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 Posted 03/05/2014  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mash, I would steer clear of the bronze brush, at least until you are more experienced. It is said that they don't hurt the patina, that is not correct, they can.

Just out of interest, whereabouts are you in the UK?
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I am in Northamptonshire, Midlands.

Supposed to be a good place to find romans... but my detector hasn't got me a single coin yet! I am working on permissions so will be nice if I can find a hot spot.
Its nice working on uncleaned coins, but finding your own and bringing them back to life would be even more rewarding
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 Posted 03/05/2014  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no easy answer to how much any individual emperor is worth. It has a lot to do with the condition of the coin as well. In general ebay coins come cheaper, but they rarely have provenance, you don't know whether they have been smuggled and there are are lot of fakes.

If you are interested in a particular coin check out something like vcoins to see what coins are currently being sold for.

If you are doing your own detecting I assume you know about the Portable Antiquities Scheme.

And if Metdet (Kev) shows up, he might give you some valuable tips.
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 Posted 03/05/2014  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would first wash the coin in warm water with some mild dish soap. Dry it and than use your finger nail or a tooth pick to try and remove the crud.
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I think the reverse is Minerva on a pedestal. Something similar to this.

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ma...Default.aspx
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