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"Private Listing- Bidders Identities Protected" On Ebay?

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 Posted 03/08/2014  9:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am bidding on a coin on ebay and someone bidding against me is "private listing-bidders identities protected". Does anybody know what this means?
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 Posted 03/08/2014  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It means the Seller has made the listing "Private" to hide something. They used to do "Private" listings to keep people from contacting bidders about problem coins. Once ebay went to bidder identity protection several years ago (example: *j3762* (234) ) it really no longer made any sense to maintain the Private listing feature. I run as far away from Private auctions as fast as I can.
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 Posted 03/08/2014  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
westernsky, thanks for the reply. This auction seemed strange based on the way "private..." was responding to my bids. I am going to take your advice and drop out.
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 Posted 03/08/2014  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post the auction link so we can see it.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I never understood why there would be private listings. The only thing I can figure is that in regular bid situations, even though you can't see 'exactly' who's bidding against you, you can kind of see a particular bidder's pattern....but that's almost of no advantage to the seller as far as I can tell. Like was said above, seller is hiding something for some reason. Maybe I'll contacrt the next seller that does that, and just ask them why.....I'd be curious.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is all news to me! Thanks for sharing!
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 Posted 03/09/2014  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the 'olden' days, you could see bidders IDs. You could even contact them from listing. Something I did a few times with people who beat me on items or were under-bidders, asking them if they shared the same collecting interests as me. In a couple of cases we've maintained a good correspondence and learnt a lot from each other.

But if you can see IDs you can also soon work out if someone's friends keep bidding on their items to push the prices up. Frequent bidding but few wins, or wins and no feedback suggested what's known as 'shill' bidding. To hide this people would make their listings 'Private' Ostensibly so buyers could bid without others knowing what they were buying (not unreasonable with high value items like coins).

The trouble with open IDs ebay claimed, was that people would fraudulently offer a sold item to under-bidders when they didn't actually own it. So they stopped people seeing IDs and contacting each other from listings.

Whether this really was a problem or there was another reason, I personally liked the old system. Experienced buyers could warn off n00bs from fake items and dodgy dealers, as well as socialising. Of course, I guess it was also easier to arrange off-the-bay sales too. Something ebay would not have approved of.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bassmaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only reason I can think of for id's being hidden would be a bidder getting outbid, getting angry, and harassing whoever outbid him. I can also see the out of ebay deals. I despise private accounts. I would also like to know what the private people have to hide.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link to the "private listing" on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/30111213563...RK:MEBIDX:IT

When I clicked on the link to make sure that it worked, I see that the "private listing" has been removed and replaced by bidders' ID's. What the heck?javascript:insertsmilie('')
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 Posted 03/09/2014  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have contacted the seller on this item to find out what is going on with this listing. I will let you all know what I find out.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's the difference between a private bidder and a***0 (192) or p***m (4197) that mean nothing?
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There are few private bidders on ebay nowadays. What is being discussed is private listings where all bidders identities are concealed and serves no useful purpose other than to hide shill bidding by the seller or his cohorts.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller emailed me back and said:

"I never heard of anything like this before. Sounds to me like a glitch either with ebay or possibly with your computer. There is a possibility that the other bidding was retracted for some reason and left you the high bidder. A person could check with ebay for an explanation, if curious enough. If you happen to bid again and encounter anything like this once more please let me know. Thanks for letting me and I hope there are no more complications"

I talked to ebay and the rep said that either the seller accidently set up the sale as private or it was the mysterious glitch.

Either way the bidder ID's now show normally. ebay rep could not explain why bid history showed only one bid from me when I had made several.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Once ebay went to bidder identity protection several years ago (example: *j3762* (234) ) it really no longer made any sense to maintain the Private listing feature.
If you ask me, ebay is making the scammer's job easier. Especially now that buyer identities are 'protected' within feedback. The ebay community--where people could help each other--is finished.
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03/09/2014 3:38 pm
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I think what arianzo is asking, is what is the difference between the normal concealed identities and when it says totally "private." IMO, with the normal concealed identities, I can see bid patterns of a particular bidder, which helps me a little....very little. But when the identies come up "private" then I can't see anything.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Henry M Smith to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That hidden repeat bidder could be the seller on a separate account. Yes, it is not allowed, but it does happen.
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