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Quote: How do we know that this stuff isn't stale product gathered from various dealers back storerooms on the cheap and then heavily promoted to make a quick buck?  Very possible. This is a very strange hoard. The next major find will be 5 million mint & proof sets.  I need 5 of those V.D.B. for albums I'm working on, so I'm open to the additional supply. Now if they were 1909S' look out!
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Two thoughts. 1. Since it's Stack's announcing it, I doubt it was gathered from various dealers back storerooms. 2. I get the feeling it likely came from a single individual and they were the one who amassed these coins mostly from New York and other locations around the country rather than Stack's. I believe Stack's took possession of the coins all at one time. Perhaps it's something like this hoard story but on a much larger scale. Quote:New York Subway Hoard 1996 For years, a certain New York subway token seller sifted through change seeking scarce coins. Many coins were marketed through George Shaw, a rare coin dealer. After Shaw's death, Littleton Coin buyers acquired the many coins, including Type I 1916 Standing Liberty quarters, 1916-D Mercury dimes, 1914-D Lincoln cents, and other keyâ€'date coins http://www.littletoncoin.com/webapp...-Hoards.htmlAnyway, it's all speculation at this point until Stack's decides to provide more of the back story.
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If this is not just some dealer's Overstock, it could tip the populations for many different coins
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United States
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They are estimating the value of the 1 million plus coins as 15 to 20 million dollars. That's only $15 to $20 per coin. Considering the melt value of the silver coins alone - not to mention the likelihood that there are a *few* pricey coins by shear odds alone - the indication is that the vast, vast majority of these coins are worth little more than scrap.
Edited by ProfLiz 03/12/2014 11:34 am
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This could be a shot in the arm for younger numismatists to join the hobby, plus a lot of fresh material coming in to the marketplace might not depress prices all that much if most of it is common, which I'm guessing it is.
I think that it's great that coins have been in the news so much as of late. It should help to bring in new blood and keep the hobby alive.
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Quote: nearly 10,000 1909 V.D.B cents Be on the lookout for a 100 fold increase of "unsearched" cent rolls on ebay with a VDB reverse showing with the description could be an S VDB.
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Pillar of the Community
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 Oh yea you got that right
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You're forgetting that there is a lot of Copper in this grouping. Which means that the average price of $15 to $20 is pretty meaningless. With the sample size so large and the variables unknown making the assumption that the vast majority of this collection is worth melt is unsupportable. They were talking about bags of Bust Halves and the aforementioned VDB Lincolns. This leads me to believe that, if this is from one collector, that the hoard was assembled in the early part of the last century and maintained by the person(s) and/or their heirs since. I would bet that we will see supplies of circulated, but mid-grade, IHC's; FEC's, Shield nickels, Buffalo nickels, Seated and Barber coinage flooding the market after the cherries are picked. I agree that if this is true that the younger and less well healed Collectors will finally be able to build collections of coins that were out of reach. That could be a good thing because you then have people who will be buying keys to sets that they never would have attempted before. Just as building a Lincoln set in average circulated collection is fairly easy. If you are just filling holes with the cheapest coins possible, you can can get everything but the keys for less than $150. And maybe much less; with some careful shopping. The key, as a dealer, is to get them interested in the series in the first place. From that perspective this is pretty exciting.
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Wow.. this will be something to see what drops. Hopefully not the coins I just bought.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: .Kinda sounds like the owner lived at West 57th street in New York Yeah,the current owner. Stacks is on W 57th street. Quote: Once these get released, 1909 VDBs will be just like any other common wheatie. 1909 VDB's ARE pretty much like any other common wheatie. There were probably a couple million of them around before this 10K turned up.
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Im REALLY interested to know what is in this hoard...then how those finds will affect everything. Well...we will see wont me?
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2 years later: Anybody want to speculate about the impact of this hoard and its dispersal on the coin market? Did it have any impact on mid grade classic U.S. coins as some anticipated? I've seen a ton of the Stack's West 57th Street TPG slabbed coins being offered by online dealers. Apparently the consensus is that there are graded a bit liberally by the TPGs but generally have decent eye appeal. Any thoughts?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Many were slightly to very overgraded, but there were some gems among the rubble. There were sufficient quantities of slabs that the "pedigree" does not bring a premium. I've got 3 or 4 coins from it, but I bought them because I liked the coins, not because it was the special holder. I do think that it may have had a minor effect on pricing of raw mid-grade type coins for popular 19th century series; a lot of the Stack's coins were VF to XF, some a bit lower, but very few higher. A lot of the Stack's coins were stored in poor conditions (boxes on shelves, bags, just stacked in piles), and many had issues with ugly toning, verdigris, corrosion, weird color, or other signs of environmental damage, yet they all got full grades from NGC. The Stacks' coins were mostly mid 19th to early 20th century, with a few older and a few newer, and featured a lot of Seated coinage & Indian Heads/FEC's, + Barber coins as well; and Three Cent Nickel / Two Cent Pieces were well represented. Overall, though, compared to the effect that hoards such as the Redfield hoard, the Binion sale, GSA/Treasury Morgan releases, US Mint Vault releases & the Omaha Bank Hoard had on values and supply, I do not think the Stack's coins really have had the same major/tremendous impact, and the former hoards are some of the largest prior to the Stack's hoard.
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Edited by paralyse 02/25/2016 04:08 am
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A dissapointing hoard overall. Littelton should have won the bid over Stacks imo. I generally just glaze over a coin in a 57th slab
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