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Literally Impossible To Sell An Unsearched OBWr

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IMO it's impossible for an individual to sell an original bank wrapped roll of let's say, silver dimes or quarters, on ebay, without possible consequences. Maybe only a company like APMEX can do it because they have a big stick and deep pockets.

For instance, an individual sells an 'unsearched silver roll' on ebay. The buyer of the roll then tells the seller that the roll wasn't silver, or that something was wrong with the roll. How could the seller refute the buyer? Just food for thought.
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Wouldn't your logic apply to any item ever sold via e-commerce?
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No, because almost every other coin/item is visible before purchase.
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With E-Bay, it seems the buyer is always right, not sure I would chance it. Also, I think a lot of scammers stay away from the bigger sellers. Just my opinion.
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You can buy the machinery to put together your own "OBWRs" and the subject of "unsearched rolls" has been beaten to death so many times it's hard to believe.
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I agree with the specific premise in the OP. If a roll truly were "unsearched", there is no way for the seller to guarantee its contents. Any seller doing so is either a liar or a gambler.
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If the seller is a gambler, they'd open it instead of selling it :)
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I agree with the specific premise in the OP. If a roll truly were "unsearched", there is no way for the seller to guarantee its contents.


If something really was rolled before the switch to clad you could guarantee silver but thats it. With that said thats not what the majority of ebay rolls are
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If something really was rolled before the switch to clad you could guarantee silver but thats it.

But how could you prove that with any certainty? It's not like the banks routinely time-stamped the things when they were rolled. Are there certain kinds of papers or rolling techniques that anyone could say with certainty were not still in use after 1964? I'm thinking not.
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Many 'unsearched roll' auctions on ebay are just a modern version of 'pig-in-a-poke'.
Sidestep the issue completely by showing the goods--top view, edge view, weight, etc.
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I've always thought it was really hilarious that anyone could believe that UNSEARCHED stuff. IF really unsearched, how could the seller know what they are. For example rolls of UNSERACHED ALL WHEAT CENTS. How could the seller know they were ALL the same unless he did search.
Now if a seller said he had ONE coin and it was UNSEARCHED, that I might believe.
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Unsearched is the biggest lie in the coin business.

I also "like" the ebay Sellers that now place an 09-s cent on one end of the roll and a VDB reverse on the other end and use old wrappers from the San Francisco FRB.

People still buy from these Sellers knowing exactly what they are going to get---- an 09-s cent, a P mint VDB cent and 48 common Wheat cents. But that thought of possibly getting a roll of 50 SVDB's drives them to hit that bid button.
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Personally I like the ones where they advertise it as an unsearched roll of wheat cents with an Indian Head showing on one end and a silver dime on the other. Wait... what? So how do you know that there are any wheat cents in there if it is unsearched and the only two coins you can see are not wheat cents?

Of course, the way to get around the OP's proposition is just to say it is an unsearched roll with whatever showing on the ends. People will naturally fill in the blank that, oh, if this is a quarter roll and silver quarters are on the ends, then it is all silver quarters even though the seller has not said/guaranteed that.
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Unsearched is the biggest lie in the coin business.

I also "like" the ebay Sellers that now place an 09-s cent on one end of the roll and a VDB reverse on the other end and use old wrappers from the San Francisco FRB.

People still buy from these Sellers knowing exactly what they are going to get---- an 09-s cent, a P mint VDB cent and 48 common Wheat cents. But that thought of possibly getting a roll of 50 SVDB's drives them to hit that bid button.




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I like the ones where they advertise it as an unsearched roll of wheat cents with an Indian Head showing on one end and a silver dime on the other.
The funniest one I saw was an "unsearched" cent roll with a Roman coin on one end.
I keep asking the bank teller to hold the Roman coins that come in--but no luck yet
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