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 Posted 03/22/2014  10:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jadescritters to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone,

Several years ago my wife and I took some coins in trade for out motor home we were no longer using. The coins were several 1oz Krugerrands. We did not need the cash at the time and figure it would be a good investment so they sat in out safe deposit box since. Were not looking to sell them. Being we are completely clueless we are trying to figure out the best way to get the best price. People have told us to sell them to collectors, others have said dealers, some have said craigslist or ebay and just ask $50 below spot price...then a few people have even said we need to have them graded.

We do want to get as much as we are able to out of them, but not have to sit on them for too much longer as we have another child on the way. We would greatly appreciate all suggestions, we are trying to stay away from ebay. My wife owns a thrift store and I am a real estate broker so again this is way out of our wheelhouse.

Thanks again for all your help everyone...
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 Posted 03/22/2014  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should be able to get at least spot price locally and sell it to another stacker who will give you full value
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 Posted 03/22/2014  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1---Welcome to CCF!
2---Be wary of the "We Buy Gold" types. A lot of predators and scavengers hang out signs saying that and many of them are trouble.
3---If you have any good local coin shops in your area ( ANA membership is one reading but not a guarantee of integrity), they could
serve as a benchmark of what price per coin you could hope for.
4---Selling via ebay is an avenue used by many but it isn't without pitfalls. Buyers can claim they never got the coin, that it was in
unacceptable condition when they got it, etc. You may do well there and you might end up in a world of grief.
5---I wouldn't suggest using Craigslist. Too risky, too dangerous and too many bad news characters hang out there. Identifying
yourself on CL as a person with a pile of Krugerrands is begging for major trouble.
6---After you establish benchmark prices at a LCS, you could explore selling to vendors at coin shows. Again, beware of predators.
7---Getting your coins graded will cost you, take time and may or may not be worth the time, effort and expense. Ask your LCS's
opinion on that idea.
8---Learn how to look up current gold spot price. See -- http://charts.kitco.com/KitcoCharts/index.jsp -- You need to know current
gold price so you can figure what % of spot price you're being offered.

Good luck with your efforts and the new baby!
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 Posted 03/23/2014  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add persistnt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The grade would be something, I'll guess they are shiny new,,,,I say in person eventually, no to the bay and more no, no no.....Time I say is on your side, serveral years have passed so do not hurry now.....
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 Posted 03/23/2014  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome also,

I would also check out http://www.kitco.com/market for up to minute prices. I think the easy and fair way is to sell it to major PM buyer like Kitco and APMEX, call them and inquire their current buy price, and the representative will guide you in how and ways in selling the coins to them, you can then receive payment via check or direct deposit to your bank account.

This I believe will be trouble free for any new comer, and getting a fair deal is important.
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 Posted 03/23/2014  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add specksynder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't mess with grading them. They are "bullion" coins and their value is based on their gold content. Few people collect Krugerands that are in extremely fantastic condition. The cost for grading them would just be money out of your pocket. (some other gold coins I would respond differently)

If you are near a big enough town with 2 or 3 coin shops or and place that sells bullion, call them up and ask what they are paying for 1-ounce krugerands today. Have kitco.com/market on your computer and compare their price to the gold spot price. Are they paying you spot? $50 back? You might also ask if they can buy 5 or 10 or however many you have. They may tell you they will pay that amount in a check or check/cash combo. I doubt anyone is giving you $10K cash, so some places will discourage sales that high.

I think your goal should be to get within $50 of the current spot price. You can also ask if their price is good for today? the next half hour? will depend on the market when you actually get to the store? A really reputable dealer will change his buy price throughout the day as gold prices rise and fall constantly (like the stock market). You will probably get a better price when the market it open (weekdays before 4:00 central time).

Don't stress too much, just call a few guys up. You can google places to buy gold in your area. Those guys have to buy gold to sell it. :)
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 Posted 03/23/2014  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you wish to sell bullion coins, take them to a bullion dealer.
Shop around and do research to satisfy yourself as to which has the best reputation.
You need 250 quality post to enable you to sell here within the CCF.
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 Posted 03/23/2014  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum!

I'll second Fat Freddy's suggestions. Educate yourself on exactly what you have and what it's worth. The spot price of gold fluctuates constantly and the Kitco charts are extremely useful for helping you calculate what your coins are worth at a given point in time.

Depending on where you live, it's very possible you have a good and reputable local coin shop (LCS) near you. Some of the best precious metals purchases I've ever made have been through my LCS. However, the relationship I have with my LCS, the mutual trust I've established, has developed over years of repeat business with them. And regardless of relationship, due diligence by you is ALWAYS required in any transaction. Fortunately, your Krugerrand coins are recognized the world over and shouldn't be difficult to sell to a reputable bullion dealer for a little over current spot price. Note that Krugerrand coins typically do not command the higher premium over spot price that the American Gold Eagle coins bring. Also, if your coins have been seriously mishandled or damaged, bullion dealers may offer less for coins that aren't in resealable condition. None of this may apply to you in any transaction, but these are a few of the things to keep in mind when shopping around for the best selling price.

In addition to legitimate local bullion dealers, you might consider seeking a sell quote from one of the large national bullion sellers. For example, APMEX.com frequently lists their current "buy" price for popular gold coins right on their web site. If interested, the next step might be to give them a call and request a formal written (faxed or emailed) buy offer for your coins. Regardless who you decide to sell to, make sure you understand the terms of the sale and, most importantly, know the settlement terms so you know when to expect your check or bank wire. I wouldn't do business with anyone who didn't agree to almost immediate payment in full to you once they had receipt of your coins.

There are other things to consider when buying or selling precious metals so please don't base any buy or sell decisions on this or any other message board. It's the Internet. Take any suggestions or discussions with a grain of salt and, please, always follow through on your own due diligence.

Finally, and this is a personal opinion of mine, I would avoid discussing any pending PM sale with anyone outside of your immediate family. As for me, I don't discuss coins with anyone in real life other than when visiting my LCS dealer. When I want to discuss coins, I come here to the forums where no one knows me from Adam! In all seriousness, though, a casual comment in front of the wrong person could be disastrous resulting in theft or worse.

Good luck and be careful!
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 Posted 03/23/2014  01:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, one more issue to consider...tax implications. It is customary for bullion sales over a certain amount to be report to the IRS by bullion dealers. If you've had these coins long enough, there could be some substantial tax liability due to capital gains.

Don't take any of this as tax advice. If you have concerns, consult a tax professional.
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03/23/2014 01:57 am
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 Posted 03/23/2014  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the bottom line on mandated reporting to IRS is transactions of >$10K. But---I'm not any authority on tax matters. I'm smart enough to keep myself out
of trouble, but that's easy for little leaguers like me. Get professional level advice from a pro (like a CPA, NOT any of the "storefront tax preparers") to be safe.

Edit---Coinwatch correctly added one important thought. Maintaining strict silence and confidentiality about what you have and are about to sell is critically
important. Letting anybody (other than LCS staff) in your world know any details of what you have would be inviting disaster. The good majority of coin/PM
thefts aren't random---they're based on knowledge of the target.
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03/23/2014 09:26 am
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 Posted 03/23/2014  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ichirensha to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might look into bulliondirect.com. I've bought and sold with them for over seven years with no problems. Right now on the Nucleo Exchange, the offer is $1367 for one ounce Krugs.
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A couple of things you need to consider. When exactly did you acquire them ? In 2011 gold surged to $1900/oz , if you took them in trade at $1700-$1900/oz and now want to cash them in at $1330/oz , you are going to lose money.

They are just bullion, no numismatic value. I can't recall ever seeing a Krug in a major slab, so spot price is what you are aiming for. I would shop them around to local coin shops and pawn shops. But as mentioned, do it discreetly, ten coins are worth $13,000. Take one with you to get a price and then after a deal is made on price, bring in the rest.

APMEX and other reputable online dealers will also buy gold at spot. But as an Authorized Purchaser of the U.S. Mint, APMEX is only required by law to buy Gold Eagles, not foreign coins.

Craigslist is another way, but no one will offer you spot prices. Buyers are just as wary as sellers on CL. Why take the chance, if you are a buyer, if you are not going to get a great deal for under spot.

As far as taxes go, if you paid taxes on the original sale of the motor home, then you won't get taxed on the sale of the coins that taken in barter. The gov't taxes everything, but rarely double dips. If you consult a tax expert, you may even be able to write off a loss if you cash in the coins at a considerable loss in barter value.

Gold has surged $150-$200 in the last couple of months, unless you took them in trade for over $1400/oz, you may want to hold on to them a while longer, if at all possible.
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Stay away from Craigslist. Put it this way:

Please show up at Denny's with something worth $13K in your pocket to meet somebody you've never met, have no idea who s/he is, what s/he looks like and whether s/he is really honest or just a crook...
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 Posted 03/23/2014  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is really not that hard if you focus on their situation. They have a few (let's say 3-4) and want to liquidate and we'll say within 3-4 months on that. This is not in their wheelhouse and they have obviously busy lives about to get busier. Call all the gold purchasing places, including the coin shops located 30-45 minutes south of you. If they don't give you a buy price on this bullion valid at that moment, move on (it will change as the market does). Within 30 minutes you'll be able to determine the best mix of location, safety, business type and price. From there, it's up to you to decide if getting the extra $100 or so total you might get is worth the extra hours of effort it will require and whether you're wiling to "gamble" on short term market moves that might increase or decrease the value a couple hundred. You are simply selling a physical commodity. All my opinion. Good luck.
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You can try these place around Vero Beach.

http://www.westbaytrading.net/

http://www.thegoldandsilverrefinery.com/

http://www.stluciejewelry.com/

http://communitygoldbuyer.com/

I agree stay away from craigslist and the we buy gold kiosk in the shopping malls.
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 Posted 03/23/2014  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MY suggestion:
Sell one piece at a time.
Minimize your risk.
Cost average.
Avoids tax problems.
Where you live (in what state and what city) may come into play.
A town near me requires coin dealers to hold purchases of gold coins. Many dealers
refuse to buy gold for this reason.
Do not lose hope. The CCF will walk you through this.

By several, just how many ounces are we discussing, if you don't mind my asking?
Are you near a large city where coin shows are held?
Again, details please.

Third party grading is not worth it for your bullion pieces.

A little more patience on your and your wife's part will pay dividends.

The more details that we have the better that we can serve you.
And congratulations with the 'soon-to-be' new addition to your family!
THAT is a great reason to sell now.
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