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I've had this Three Cent piece for some time and never noticed the clashing and doubling going on the obverse and reverse. The supplied pics show (with arrows) the areas of which I speak. I'd love to know what everything thinks on a grade and anyone with knowledge of this series, can you tell me anything about the amount of clashing and doubling going on? Thank you!   |
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Not an expert here but:
A very interesting piece. Assuming the clashing/ die state affected the strike, I'd give an XF 40: nice detail on wreath, decent hair, and maybe showing some luster?
I don't know how common the clashing is statistically speaking, but I've seen a lot, particularly on the reverse (clash showing the outline of the head). I don't think it's as common on the obverse but , as I said, I'm not an expert. Personally, I buy the clashed pieces. Nice coin
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I am in on XF on the grade. The 3CN was the first nickel piece struck by the US mint and it wreaked havoc on the dies. The harder metal caused for a large learning curve as dies wore out much easier and I believe they needed stronger striking force. 1865, being the first year of issue, has some of the most wonderful clashes, IMHO. You will often see the face on the reverse and a little less often the wreath outline but yours has also has the III on the obverse, way cool. Looking at your clash on the obverse, I think I see where it was struck twice in the chin area. The cracks are from dies that were starting to fail. You will often see cracks in the Shield nickel series as well. As for the doubling, it usually is in the form of Longacre Doubling, the dead give away is the doubling surrounds the letters and is not notched. I believe strong LA doubling indicates a die that has been in use longer as it will continue to strengthen with the use of the die. I am glad this one got it's own thread!  |
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I am glad this one got it's own thread! Great information, thank you! Any other info is greatly appreciated, I've found myself getting into this coin series a lot now. |
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I'm wondering if the reverse die had the initial clash event polished away or if it was a second reverse die paired with that obverse die. The clash lines on the obverse behind the head indicate the first event had the die orientation where the hair curl and roman numeral three column touched. This reverse die has no indication of the first event. Amazing coin! I'm thinking it could be low AU if there is any lustre remaining.
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Hopefully coop will stop by with some of his over-imposed images. I see what you are referring to dave, but it looks to me like the obverse was clashed at least twice but more significantly with the III's having a larger spread. Another cools thing is on the I on the far left, the metal literally stops before the end of the serif. Might mean the I design was worn down from the clashes or too much use - just a guess on my part. EDIT: Nice site, I keep forgetting about it.  Edited by CoinsKelly
03/24/2014 1:34 pm
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Quote:I stumbled across this site on die clashes on Three Cent Nickels. THANK YOU! Excellent site. In looking at the 1865 I think the one that most resembles mine is the ADC-3c-1865-03. Anyone concur? There may be more going on here but that one at least resembles what I'm seeing in my coin. |
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Very intriguing coin a lot going on.
Thanks MV for the link.
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EF-45.
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03/24/2014 8:13 pm
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the one that most resembles mine is the ADC-3c-1865-03 I agree. Yours may be a later die state of the 03 clash. Process of elimination rules out 01, 02 and 04. |
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I agree, it is the closest to 03 - and I like is much more than the one on the site.  |
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I agree, it is the closest to 03 - and I like is much more than the one on the site. Not that I'm biased or anything but....  |
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I normally only acquire one of each type of coin for my collection, however, I did acquire an 1865 Three Cent Nickel with clashed dies, however there is a rotation in the die(s) as well. The profile of Liberty is facing to the right (approx 180 degrees) on the reverse instead of the left. I am having a hard time letting go of this one. Edited by oih82w8
03/24/2014 11:56 pm
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