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I'm wondering if other CCF members have noted an issue with the earlobe on some 1984 LMCs. Not the classic 1984P-1DER-001, but something funky is going on.  When I first posted this picture, a member thought MD. But I'm not sure about this. The typical 'flat shelf' only appears here...and doesn't appear flat. I figure before I toss it into the pickle jar, I'd toss it to the members for further comment especially on the point if others have seen this. This is the only pic I have at the moment (at work), but will suit to get the discussion going. What are we seeing? Thanks everyone! |
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I have found a few and was told it is not a DDO. John1  |
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Thanks John - me too. I have around 3 or 4 in the pickle jar. If not a DDO, what do we have the makings for? Not 'rare' if you and I are sitting on a few. But as I look for the Class IV DDO, I can't help but notice these. |
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It is Machine Doubling or coin contact. Note how the area that you point to is really part of a normal lobe that has been damaged/reduced in size? On a hub doubled die that area is enlarged. |
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Hi Coop - I'm leaning away from damage as the specimens I have are consistent (but possible I suppose). I'll try to get you a better picture. As it would be, I have one of the other specimens with me today, so I'll take a picture here during lunch and post. Thanks for having a second look!
John - do you have a better picture to share?
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Sorry no pic,i don't save them. John1 |
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Here's a picture of the one I had on me. I noticed something different here on this coin. Have a look.  |
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Machine doubling. Note how the overall side of the lobe was reduced in size? When you see that on the outside edge of the bust, a sure sign it is Machine Doubling. On the other wheat cents there used be a trench around the bust area.  But that is not what is going on with your coin. |
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Coop - on this coin, I see MD on the other devices as well. I didn't look a the totality of this coin...I presume the others may be similar. Check out the MD on LIBERTY. I've not seen MD this significant before. I'm surprised I missed it on the first go around.   |
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The glare must be killing it. I can't see it. LIBERTY is often see as Machine Doubling:  |
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Hi Coop - I found one of the other two specimens and have some shots that might help. The first is today's specimen -   This is the specimen from a couple of weeks back -  Today's coin looks to be MD. May also be true of the second coin only the doubling is not present in the LIBERTY. But the extra 'lobe' appears more prominently than on the first coin.  Edited by Rackster
03/25/2014 10:06 pm
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I have found a lot of ear lobes like the 1984 pictures above, to me under the scope it always looked like a coin strike to me so I never gave it a second thought.
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James - neither did I but I kept one for a closer examination and sure enough, I found two more. Thanks for chiming in.
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Coop - sorry to bother you again, but what do you make of the indentation (see my second photo) that runs across the shoulder and down the back of Lincoln arm/jacket (see other photos to get perspective of the length of the groove)? Also, were the next series of photos better at illustrating the MD (LIBERTY)? Looks like it might be the next to last example of the various forms of MD you posted. Thanks!!
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03/26/2014 11:08 pm
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It may be a gouge in the coin from contact with something sharp. But if it were a struck through, say wire. You would be an abrupt start and end and the wire would leave a rounded impression on the devices. These could flow over the devices/fields/rims. Here is an example:   I have one coin where the wire left an impression on both sides and around the rim. All from one wire. Another short wire. Note shat its shape is? Damage doesn't look like that:  On your coin, I see just a small area on the bust that is affected. Maybe a larger shot of that area might tell me more? |
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Hi Coop - yes, I think you are right. My trouble is getting the picture file size to an acceptable upload size. I'm increasing in my sophistication, but not to the level you, Gary, and a few other members have achieved. Here's the fuller length of the bust - it may be a wire, but I found it curious in that it runs uninterrupted from behind the head all the way to the bottom of the bust. And strangely (or perhaps not) the groove sort of parallels the profile of Lincoln. Have a look. There seems to be a lot going on with this cent, perhaps a combination of things including PMD, but it has my attention at the moment. I've contrasted the photo to capture the anomaly. But you may get a better perspective in combination by looking at some of the other pics I've already uploaded. Thanks for hanging in there with me!   Edited by Rackster
03/27/2014 09:00 am
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