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New Member
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How are the Lines on the Back of this Wheat penny Formed? It was graded by NNC and determined to be 67+, I would also like to know how these lines on the surface of the coin effect the grade? Thank you everyone !!  |
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm curious what a different grading company with give this. The scratches could be bag marks done at the mint, perhaps it really did circulate a little bit and got beat up, or perhaps it might have been cleaned abrasively.
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Valued Member
United States
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The scratches seem to be between the devices and not over, unless the lighting is hiding them. Curious myself.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Appears to be way overgraded, but that's typical for NNC and other less reputable slabs.
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Valued Member
United States
355 Posts |
^^ That's what I was thinking, but I was afraid to say it and kind of dancing around the subject. NNC doesn't seem like the most reputable grading company out there and I'd be worried about the scratches being evidence of cleaning. I'm not any where close to as knowledgeable as things like this as others though.
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New Member
 United States
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I agree, I feel like the scratches are signs of cleaning but I need someone who can really tell me if this coin has been clewed or not ! Thank you everyone for your responses !
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Valued Member
United States
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I believe the scratches are where they clean the die at the mint.thats why they are not on the devices.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I agree with larrytw, those are brush marks from die being cleaned. I think it's pretty clear to see around the T in cent. The scratch lines seem to go right under the T in a straight line.
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New Member
United States
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Thank you guys ! How does this effect the grade ? It was imprinted this way with the die so the marks should be overlooked when grading ?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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My opinion is that it would affect the grade a lot. Coins that get a 70 are perfect -- or as near to perfect as is possible. Marks that happen due to the minting process are not overlooked.
I can't judge your coin without seeing the obverse but the best it could get, in my opinion, is MS60. It has good color and it is nice coin but it doesn't have the same eye-appeal that a higher graded coin would have.
Anyway, I hope you are happy with your coin. It's old and it's still red so that in itself is something.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Those are technically called "die polish lines". If you look closely, you'll see the lines are raised. It's common on Lincolns and happens when mint workers polish the working dies. Also, notice the lines are only in the fields since they never polish the recessed areas of the die.
They generally have NO EFFECT on the grade.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The scratch lines seem to go right under the T in a straight line.
Good observation. Makes it logical that the lines are not from cleaning the coin. Might be why the TPGS either didn't care of didn't notice. Typical item that could drop the grading a bit. |
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United States
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Here's an example. Look up 1973 d ms67 red Lincoln on heritage. You will see 2 sold 2 months apart. The anacs graded coin sold for $30 the pcgs coin sold for$3,800..now that's anacs been around 40 years or so. What wold an NNC sell for $5.00.
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03/26/2014 10:29 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I do not think NNC is considered a top tier TPG. I think images of both sides of the coin would help confirm or dispute the MS67+ grade as well as answer the cleaning question. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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BadThad--Help me out, please. When I look at the descriptions that go along with the grades on the Sheldon scale, I see 'no hairlines' and 'no scratches', etc. So,  -- excuse my ignorance, but what are 'hairlines' if they are not die polish lines?  Jeepers, just when I think I know something...it's back to school.
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Valued Member
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If the lines are raised it is die polishing, if they are incused then it was done post mint.
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