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New Member
Singapore
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Hi Everyone, I am new here and I just started my coin collecting. I recently just got hold of an coin that seems to be double die. Need help to check this out. Thanks.   Edited by Jay Chen
03/26/2014 9:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Welcome to the CCF!  Here's what a 1955 DD looks like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Lincol...em1c3e4024c6It's hard to miss that strong doubling, huh? While your find isn't worth much, it does have an interesting die crack or lamination on Lincoln's forehead ... the so-called "cracked skull." Here's hoping that you enjoy the CCF and make some great finds. Enjoy the hunt! Edited by ExoGuy
03/26/2014 1:31 pm
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New Member
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Hi EXO, Thanks for the reply. I understand the obvious double looks like the one you shown. My first 5 has a slight height difference from the second 5. Also the E in the LIBERTY is slightly taller too. That y I not sure. As I am still new to determine doubling. =p I noticed the die crack on forehead as well as the Cud on the wheat on the reserve. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Your coin is one example of a die pair that was over-used and suffered from what is referred to as Die Deterioration. This is what caused the second 5 to appear doubled. There are several die pairs that reached this point as I have seen different crack configurations on Lincoln's head. As noted above - these were referred to as "cracked skull" and also as "poor mans' double die" although not a double die. |
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United States
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Many collectors use these far less expensive varieties to fill those pesky holes in their albums.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote:as well as the Cud on the wheat on the reserve. Looks like a die chip? |
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 to CCF. It's doubled not double die. John1  |
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New Member
Singapore
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Hi Everyone, Thanks for the kind suggestion. Sorry for the confusion caused. I should not have used doubled die and should use doubling instead. I noticed doubling on the date 1955 on '9' and first '5'. Then I noticed the crack die on forehead and also Cud on reverse left side of the wheat. I wanted to know if my observation skill are on the right track. I just started learning coin collection 1 month ago and there alot more that I need to learn from the pro. =) Thanks. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No need to apologize - we are all here to learn.  |
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No need to apologize - we are all here to learn. Yes, Jay Chen ... No need to apologize. Ideally, we are all here to learn ... Bear in mind that, at times, we may not see the forest for the trees. Questions, no matter how well framed, are the stairway to learning. |
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New Member
Singapore
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Haha. Thanks everyone for their kind words. Feel encouraged. Btw how rare is it for coins to have multiple errors and what the estimate for this 1955 coin. Thanks. :-)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You have many excellent questions! It is fairly common for 1950's era Lincoln Cents to have multiple errors so the value would be minimal (maybe a buck on ebay). As far as being educated on this site, the people in here are wonderful and helpful... it is a great place to learn. As far as there being a " Cud" on the wheat stalk, that is actually a die chip because a " Cud" is a die break that has to involve the rim. This obviously does not. The term " Cud" is often misused to describe a die chip, especially on ebay. I hope all of this helps and to CCF, we are glad to have you. |
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New Member
Singapore
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Hi Sudz, Thanks for the answer. Awesome. Now I know what to look out for. Difference between die chip and Cud is something new. =) Thanks for the pointers. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Take a look at http://www.coppercoins.com for all things copper. I don't trust items on ebay as reference. You can look at doubled dies ( DDO or DDR) and Re-Punched Mintmarks (RPM's) or any major variety at these two sites; www.coppercoins.com The 1955 listing on Coppercoins is here; http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=edsJohn Wexler's site; http://doubleddie.com/The 1955 doubled die is here; http://doubleddie.com/302101.htmlJohn Wexler drills right down to the nitty gritty and educates people on the 1955 DDO. It helps people out alot, and keeps them from overpaying or buying coins they probably shouldn't have. Yep, Sudz is right on, the version you have is a "poor man's" double die, nothing more than a ghost of what the real deal is like. The dies were heavily used and worn, resulting in what appears to be an additional outer "5". There appears to be a Die Crack through Lincoln's head, and on the reverse, a die chip in the wheat stalk to the left. Cuds are diechips that touch the rim. Keep looking ! One never knows what treasures lay around the corner..... Edited by Collector-Corner
03/28/2014 08:11 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The guys have done an excellent job with the questions. But here are some images to show that might help you see quicker. The dies from this era (1950'S) were way over used. It is common to get a BU roll and find the coins show very heavy die wear. I know this as I pick up a OBW roll of 1954 cents. They were just that. They showed very heavy die wear. (All the machines at that point were all running with VLDS dies) I put them away and saved them. But there are a few things that were commonly found on the 1950's cents. 1. the extreme die wear left the devices that are nearest to the rim with the strongest die wear. Here is a BU coin that show the same thing, but a lot more as well.  Note the date show the die wear on the right hand side of the coin. The LIBERTY shows the die wear on the left side of the letters. The motto IGWT: Shows wear on the tops of the letters. With the constant pressure from the dies, forming the copper planchets, pushing in an outward direction to form the devices, it makes the devices wear in that direction. This is true on all dies. On the reverse you see the same pattern, but not the wheat lines. They show the strongest die wear. The dies lose crispness as the die are continued to be used. (Keep in mint this is a BU coin) The die cracks/chips can also be seen on this image as well. On the head you can see multiple die cracks. On the "T" on cent you can see them. It is often during this decade to find chips in certain die areas. One is called a BIE error:  At one time they thought they were varieties, until they noticed that they continued to get larger from the same dies examples. They collected these for a time and then discontinued as they did not start out on the die, but the die was showing die chips as the die aged. These can still be seen today on modern coins:  They still catch interest, but not much of a premium. But on to the subject the [b]cud]/b]. Sudz was steering correct with his information, but here are a few images that might help. Note that not just the side that has the Cud is affected. The opposite side show weakness because the area of the die has broken off and don't form the opposite die in that area. You can actually see the shape of the Cud on the opposite side of the coin. Cents: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...Cent_Cud.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...Joshycfl.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...Cud_Cent.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...cracks_c.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...coop/CUD.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...est_Cent.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._Reverse.jpgDime: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...b_IMAGES.jpgQuarters: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...ks_ccf_3.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...tuckyCud.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...s_larger.jpgHope this helps. It you have any question, just ask. All want to help here. |
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I guess I came in too late to offer anything new. The links Collector-Corner are strong sites for varieties. For errors try http://www.error-ref.com/ You are just starting collecting, you are also just starting learning. Take your time and have fun. |
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