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1879-P VAM 74?

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 Posted 03/27/2014  12:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JRG to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys, could you help me identify this VAM? I think it's a 74 from the pitting on the obverse, doubled date, and raised dot on the 8. Reverse is not pitted, so Die #2? Hope the pictures are diagnostic, my camera set up is not ideal. Thanks!

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 Posted 03/27/2014  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 7TF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like you found a very interesting and scarce/rare variety. I would assume you have the die 2 but can not confirm without pictures of the isolated polishing lines above the eagles left wing as the die marker.

Congrats on an excellent find!
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 Posted 03/27/2014  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JRG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would assume you have the die 2 but can not confirm without pictures of the isolated polishing lines above the eagles left wing as the die marker.


Honestly, I don't see any polishing lines above the left wing. What do you think?




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 Posted 03/27/2014  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AU90o to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For Morgan dollar, the reverse is based upon the eagle. So what you see as left wing is actually the right wing of the eagle.

So let see photo of the other side of the eagle wing tip
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For Morgan dollar, the reverse is based upon the eagle. So what you see as left wing is actually the right wing of the eagle.


Oh, right I'm still an amateur VAMer, as you can see

I'll post a picture later tonight!
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 Posted 03/27/2014  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JRG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 03/27/2014  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still thinking you are correct with a reverse die #2 coin. Die polish lines will eventually fade away.
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It would be nice to find out exactly where they are suppose to be and add a picture to VAMworld. You might want to ask on VAMworld about this one. It is a fairly newly listed VAM and it is possible there could be other die pairings.
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 Posted 03/29/2014  03:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 7TF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could you post a picture showing more of the area above the viewer right wing (Eagles left). They might be hard to find, make sure and tilt the coin around in good lighting and see if you can find them. Dave is correct they could have worn away, or it could be a die state prior to the polishing.

I sent a message to a veteran from VAMworld asking his opinion about this coin, he is the guy that discovered this VAM in 2011. I will let you know when I hear from him.

Kris
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 Posted 03/29/2014  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JRG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Could you post a picture showing more of the area above the viewer right wing (Eagles left).


Yes, I will post some more pictures today. Honestly, I strained my eyes for 30 minutes under 10x magnification and couldn't see any.



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I sent a message to a veteran from VAMworld asking his opinion about this coin, he is the guy that discovered this VAM in 2011. I will let you know when I hear from him.


Wow that's awesome, thank you. Do you think it could be a new die pairing?
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I really don't know if it is a new die pairing. It could just be a die state issue. More investigating needs to be done. Photos of the entire reverse and a bigger portion close up of the viewer right wing will help.

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Here are some huge photos, hope they format correctly in the browser.

I added a picture of scratches beneath the right wing as a reference to how scratches/polishing lines should appear based on my lighting and camera set up.

Hope these help, Thanks!



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I don't have any problem believing this is the second-reverse VAM-74. The mention of "polishing lines" does nothing to address the die stage at which they appear - are they on a brand-new die? Polishing to erase clashing? Mid-life touchup? Their absence doesn't bother me at all.
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I agree Dave, but it still would not hurt to investigate it and put the appropriate photos on the page if possible. Maybe another marker can be found in the ribbon area. It will take someone with the Die 2 reverse to compare coins.
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 Posted 03/31/2014  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see the die scratches/polishing lines in the eagle's left (viewer's right) wing that are shown in the 2012 VAM supplement. One of them is a long, vertical scratch between the outer and middle rows of feathers about 3-4 middle feathers from the top edge of the wing. I would say this is VAM 74.2.
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Thank you for the help John. I thought it kind of looked like a long vertical die scratch going through the e in We, is that one of them?

I talked with Brian Raines, the guy that discovered the original VAM 74. He said he did not know there was even a revision and he had no idea who got the revision. Luckily John, (Messydesk) is also a VAM Veteran that knows pretty much everything about VAMs and has all of the updates and supplements (which usually include newly listed and revised VAM info and photos that can not always be found on VAMworld). If anyone is interested in buying supplements they are sold by Leroy Van Allen each year. I think you can even order previous years.

Thanks again for the info John. It really is nice to see you posting on this forum.

Kris
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