1758 George II Shilling

very nice piece. I like the toning.

I think British grading would put this one right around aVF

VF30

theres two listed here

http://www.argentumandcoins.co.uk/g...758-72-c.asp

and I would say yours is better than both of them

grade EF (XF)


yours

michael

RE toning I think its OK not artificial

It is no more than GF.
Sorry.
It has been cleaned at one time...Not in my sights I have sold better for £20 and was happy.
Don't bother with tat.

I don't think your comments are productive or helpful in any way whatsoever.... And honestly quite rude.... And you should explain how your coming to these opinions. It's not helpful to newbies trying to learn at all to throw out comments like tis and not explain why/how.

Zxcccxz is quite well at grading and is held in high regard here. I see no direct evidence of a past cleaning that would make it non market acceptable (though you must realize that 90% of pre 1900 coins have been cleaned at some point as it was an acceptable common practice not too long ago at all). And as far as the toning goes, as someone who specifically looks for and prefers toners I see nothing on this coin that screams ATing to me... In fact it looks quite natural. I don't really have much experience in grading foreign's but after quickly comparing it to others I'd say VF sounds about right... Possibly a low EF even.

Perhaps this coin is good Fine for the obverse, but the reverse is much better. A split grading would be much fairer.
I agree that the eye is the first to 'go' with George 11 milled silver coinage.

There is normally a marked difference between VF20 Sheldon and VF British. The British grade is a lot tougher.

There are really THREE grading standards:
Ancients, which take a whole lot of factors into consideration.
Sheldon for American coins but it can be used for any machine made coin.
British, which can also be applied to any machine made coin, and is perhaps more appropriate for milled coins.

I prefer to use British grading standards for British milled coins, such as this shilling.

Since this coin is 256 years old and no doubt has had a range of environments for storage, I feel such a toning MAY be possible, without any artificial interference.

It is when you come to sell you will get the kick in the teeth.
It is human nature for dealers to max the grade and the buyers like a bargain.(or think they have)
I've learnt the hard way.
ebay has kicked grading into touch. Spink in the 60's/70's rarely graded anything over EF today the same coins are called UNC/MS.

I believe that grading ought to be absolute, and not something that can change over time.

We see the softening of standards over time with the big TPGs (in my opinion) because it is beneficial to their bottom line, at the expense of the integrity of the hobby itself. Third party grading simply isn't a part of British numismatic culture.