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What? 1832 Bust Half Dollar! Lettered Edge Over Reeded Edge!

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/380873791849

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 Posted 03/30/2014  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Surfaces don't look right. I wouldn't spend money on it.
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 Posted 03/30/2014  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin looks to have been cleaned at some point. I can't say much on the matter of the edge, it's your call.
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 Posted 03/30/2014  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not in the market for it, does a reeded/lettered edge variety exist?
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 Posted 03/30/2014  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reeded edge didn't come into play until 1836. Anyway, if the Seller thought he had a "rare" coin why doesn't he get it TPG'd and really rake in some big bucks at one of the big auction houses?
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Maybe the coin is a time traveller!
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Nothing surprises me on ebay anymore. I just don't think the color looks right and I've never heard of a reeded edge half before 1836. So, based on the color not looking right, the weird toning around the devices and the weird reeding I'd give it a high probability of being a coin that has "questionable authenticity".
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I don't see why it would be called a reeded edge because it's not a reeded edge. I'm having difficulty seeing the details of the edge but the so called 'reeded edge' only covers parts of the edge. It looks like it's the result of a Castaing machine problem in applying the edge lettering. Or maybe PMD?
Just my humble rookie opinion.
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Despite the fact that this seller lives in California, he should change his name from "Coinwizard" to "Coinblizzard" .... That misleading title is a snow job! This one looks to me like a Chinese piece.

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I must admit: I didn't pick it as a probable fake.
? perhaps a die struck, hubbed off an original coin?

It is quite possible for a faker to make both reeded and lettered collars, and use them both on the same planchet.
However, I don't know why they would use both, one after the other.

A 'collar' in this case is pair of straight line dies, and the planchet is rolled under pressure between them, as they proceed in opposite directions.

I have a good book that explains these processes in detail.
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 Posted 03/31/2014  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't remember what year they started but some of the later bust halves had weak reeding between the lettering on the edge dies. I don't have my copy of Overton readily at hand.
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 Posted 03/31/2014  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waxemm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know much about this particular coin, but the reeding seems to be at various angles.
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Sorry folks. I did a copy/paste from the ebay listing.
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Whatever it is the coin looks "funny". Color and toning around the letters/devices all look unnatural. I think it's counterfeit but TPG might prove otherwise.
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Interesting coin. But, it appears to me someone added "reeding" to the edge of this coin.

Interesting, but no thanks.

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