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What Is Going On On The Reverse Of This 1872 Half-Dime

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It is in a no problem ANACS holder. Not the greatest photo, but the best pic I am going to get. I am considering making an offer on it . . . . . but how did it even grade with that huge smear across the reverse?
Any thoughts? This is certainly beyond my experience.
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The reverse looks fine to me from the picture, though the upper left looks blurry....is that what you are talking about? If there is something about the coin that bothers you to the point of wondering how it even graded, why are you considering making an offer on it? If it bothers you now, it will continue to after you buy it.
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I see what you mean. It could be that ANACS thought it as maybe struck thru, like debris and not PMD.
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At 10:00
See below an unmarred example.
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Johnny, it is in a 63 holder, it is priced right, and I like everything about it other than the (I am calling it a smear) damage on the back.
If I can determine that it is a flaw at the mint, I might like that aspect as well. I am hoping someone will tell me it is a damaged die or some such.
'cause I sure as heck don't know.
Maybe an undocumented variety. Yeah, that's the ticket!
So, am I correct? PMD to that degree would never get in a no problem holder? Or could it?
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Could it be a smear/residue/damage on the holder at precisely that spot? Just wondering.
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It looks like it was struck through or a filled die. The lack of damage on the leaf directly below rules out PMD in my mind.
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I'm thinking Grease Filled Die.
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Here is the front if it figures in any way . . . .
It does look like there might be something going on at 7-8:00, but I am way out of my depth.
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Aye. Grease-filled die.
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Looks like a striking issue, not damage.
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OK, it is not Post Mint Damage . . . . but it is not an error . . . . . or is it?

How does that affect grade, if at all?

I see the odd coin here and there with a "struck though grease" attribution, and apparently considered an error and does not affect grade.

Here is an example.

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...01#866866246
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Yes, probably a Greaser and shouldn't affect grade. As much as we like to ridicule the TPG's for their egregious mistakes, as a percentage such mistakes aren't common and I can't see ANACS letting a damaged coin through.

The problem is, they're a particular taste for collectors and you'll find little demand at grade price for such a coin. Some like them, and will happily pay grade price or even a small premium for one. The majority, though, will likely perceive it as a lessened-value example.
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The majority, though, will likely perceive it as a lessened-value example.




You mentioned the price was right; I'd expect some discount below the average price for a normal MS-63 example. If that "right price" looks good to you, and you are not bothered by the apparent filled die, then go ahead. You might even attempt to bargain the seller lower based on the substandard eye appeal.
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The coin is fine. Just some worn dies probably.
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