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Temple Token Die Or Wax Seal?

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any ideas folks?

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another photo can anybody tell me are they rupee?

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They certainly look like Indian temple token dies to me. If they were merely wax seals there would be no need to make them so big and cumbersome. These were clearly designed to take some pressure, which implies coining.

The thing I find curious is that they are all together, and all apparently of much the same manufacture, despite being tokens of different religions. It indicates that token-making is a trade or craft that is simply producing a product and the makers are happy to sell them to whoever wishes to buy them, rather than something that is attached to a specific place of worship or group of people within each religious community.
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Thank you for reply. What languages or cultures can you make out? Do you have any links so I can investigate more?
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The thing I find curious is that they are all together, and all apparently of much the same manufacture, despite being tokens of different religions. It indicates that token-making is a trade or craft that is simply producing a product and the makers are happy to sell them to whoever wishes to buy them, rather than something that is attached to a specific place of worship or group of people within each religious community.


I think since these seem to be steel that they are fairly modern?
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Numbering from top-left to bottom right in the bottom pic of your second post, and pairing the dies together:

1 and 4: Hindu temple token, of the kind known as a "ramatanka". Something not too unlike this example, though the figures on the reverse (die #1) are somewhat rearranged, with Hanuman the monkey-god off to one side rather than underneath. The language on these coins will be Sanskrit, written in the Devanagari script.

2 and 6: Muslim temple token. We still call the Islamic pieces "temple tokens" even though we know perfectly well that Muslims don't have "temples". It's just a convenient label. Islamic temple tokens are often used as gifts to give to pilgrims going on the Hajj to Mecca. Their design is often based on old Indian coins of the Mughal period, though they never mention the correct year or mint as genuine rupees do. The language on these coins is Arabic, sometimes with Persian words thrown in too. They usually feature the Kalima (Islamic statement of faith) and the names of Muhammad and the Four Caliphs who succeeded him. This one is round; the square ones (see below) are more commonly encountered, if their appearance on the forum is any judge.

3 and 5: Another Hindu token and another variant on the ramatanka.

7/8 and 9/10: Muslim temple token, "square type". India has a long tradition of issuing square or rectangular coins, going all the way back to the Mauryan Empire over 2000 years ago. These coins are based on the design of gold coinage of the Mughal Emperor Muhammad Akbar. They often bear the date "988", a feature copied off the original coins, though of course they were not actually struck then. Here's an example.
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Andy g thank you for your reply I know of these to be in my family possession for 50 years, they are non magnetic and have a brass smell about them.
Sap you have answered brilliantly thank you
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By modern I was thinking of post 1900... so 50 years is quite acceptable!
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