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Let's Discuss The Values Of Coins

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Coin values are an interesting topic, often controversial. Supply and demand greatly determines the value of a coin, from what I've seen. The rarity often plays no role.
Would you rather an undervalued coin with a story, or an undervalued coin with a lower mintage? Or would you rather an appropriately or over valued coin, that is quite expensive, (on the market) that has a relatively high mintage?
I've seen several coins that I find over valued, like several of the Carson City's with prices over $5,000 for MS65.
I've also seen several coins that I find under valued, like the 1899 Philadelphia Morgan that, with half of less mintage of most of the CC's, is worth under $1,000 in MS65. Most Bust Dimes are fairly undervalued, IMO, because you can rarely find one problem-free. My favorite example of undervalued coins are the Twenty Cent Pieces. They've been going up in price for years. Why?

Do you think the prices of relatively undervalued coins will go up? When or why?
What about the prices of over valued coins. Do you think their prices will go down or stay the same because of high demand?
Which do you prefer?


I love reading your discussions. Thanks!
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Its not that rarity plays no role, but supply and demand is king. It doesn't matter how rare something is if no one wants it. Once the supply is at least stressed it does play a role.

Coins really arent under or overvalued either, theyre just valued. There arent earnings statements from them that can be analyzed for what they should be trading at. Some certainly have potential to increase and brand new issues can have a bubble aspect to them, but in the end theyre worth what the market is willing to pay for them.

As far as my personal taste, Ill take the hard to find one any day over say an equally priced Morgan. Morgans scare me in terms of spending a significant amount of money on. Yes theyre very popular which helps, but theyre also the ones most likely for a hoard to appear out of no where making some rarities not so rare. On the other hand its highly unlikely a mint bag of high grade examples of a S mint civil war quarter or 1838 0 dime is going to turn up.
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And again.... As in your post about the 1899P, your forgetting that mintages mean nada when compared to remaining numbers and conditional rarities. Coins that are rare now will better hold value over time than even high grade common coins. I also agree that I don't think coins are "over or undervalued" now... They are what they are.

Carson City Morgans will always hold their value... Especially in higher grades. Silver dollars circulated HEAVILY in the west whereas silver dollars were no as commonly used/ carried in the east, and surely not to the extent they did in the west. Therefore high grade examples (out of the remaining number, not the original mintages) are far rarer than they're eastern counterparts. There is no way that (for example) an 1899P will ever exceed or even match that of (for example) an 1889 CC.... It just will never happen.

Not of to mention that Morgans are arguably the most collected coin in the world..... Especially CC's. People love a Carson City coin... I don't see that changing.
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There is no way that (for example) an 1899P will ever exceed or even match that of (for example) an 1889 CC.... It just will never happen.


I wouldnt say never as I could think of two ways it could potentially happen. The first would be a massive hoard found someone had and never told anyone about, the second would be someone publicly buying the 99Ps by the truck load and melting them down because they could. Neither is likely to happen to technically possible.

I do agree though pretty much anything with a CC mint is usually preferred over a P or Denver mint mark. The same kind true for O mint marks to a lesser extent. Anything that has a mark from a mint no longer in production or no longer making making circulating coins theres a uniqueness too it that draws people in. I can to the store and get all the Philly and Denver coins I want, I cant do that with CC/O/S/C ect. Phillys especially at a disadvantage since they dont mint mark their coins. I still suspect if they closed down we would see a slight rise in value for all their coins from the nostalgic aspect alone.
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A Coin is worth what a willing buyer will pay for it.

Tomorrow ... someone may be willing to pay more ... or maybe less.
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There are so many things that rule the value of a coin. Popularity, rarety, availability, condition, age, where minted, toning, cleaning and on and on and on. For an example look at the Lincoln Cents. Why is the 55 Doubled Die so expensive. There are Doubled dies of that coin almost every year. yet that is the one everyone talks about. Once something gets started about a coin, sometimes the story just grows, grows, grows. And too remember that there are nowadays error collectors, toned coin collectors, Proof set collectors, Commemorative coin collectors and even counterfeit coin collectors.
Might be one of the things that ran some hobbies into the ground. Remember the Beanie Babies? Hot Wheel Cars? And who hasn't collected Sporting Cards. Yet almost all of the other hobbies that had rare, expensive, hot items just faded away.
With coins, for some reason, it is a hobby that has lasted for vertually hundreds of years. Why I remember some of the kids in Rome saving those Julius Ceasar coins when they first came out. And none were doubled died either.
Odd too that a coin is really only worth what is stamped on it. A Nickel is worth only 5 Cents you know.
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I wouldnt say never as I could think of two ways it could potentially happen. The first would be a massive hoard found someone had and never told anyone about, the second would be someone publicly buying the 99Ps by the truck load and melting them down because they could. Neither is likely to happen to technically possible.


Ok, lol, maybe "never" was too strong of a word... But highly, highly highly unlikely, Lol, I won't hold my breath, and sure won't be trading my CC's for P's anytime soon, lol. I wish it was more of a possibility... I'd be potientally sitting on a fortune, lol.. As many of us.
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With coins, for some reason, it is a hobby that has lasted for vertually hundreds of years


With coins you have a record of the original mintage.

Other than the limited to only 2 jersey piece cards randomly put in packs of sport cards or whatever you never know how many millions were made.

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Ok, lol, maybe "never" was too strong of a word... But highly, highly highly unlikely, Lol, I won't hold my breath, and sure won't be trading my CC's for P's anytime soon, lol. I wish it was more of a possibility... I'd be potientally sitting on a fortune, lol.. As many of us.


Lol I was mostly busting your chops but it is possible

If you need to make your P mints more valuable just go to carson city and remove their press at night so you can run off enough to make them common while convincing someone to destroy some philly ones

In all seriousness there is just something more satisfying about seeing an actual mint mark on the coin.
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I would agree that coins can be over or under valued. Look at the CCs. Their known survival rate, in MS, is multiples of lesser valued coins. There are other non-CC Morgans, in MS, whose survival rate is a pittance in comparison to CC Morgans. Yet whose prices are much, much lower. This goes to show that supply and demand don't always play a part in pricing so much as perception does.

Also there is " ebay" value, and there is "Street value". And this can work either way.

Take for example early Lincolns; teens and twenties. If these are non mintmarked, 22 plain, excepted, then on ebay you will be lucky to get more than your 99 cent opening bid on anything under XF. Yet in the shop these sell for Grey sheet all day long. Lol; or do when a customer comes in.

A reverse example are Lincoln Lamination errors. They never, ever, sell in the shop and yet will on ebay. I list them, they get sold. True; most for 99 cents. But that is better than the 4 cents I sell raw LWC's at.
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