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Major New Purchase. 1848-D Half Eagle PCGS AU-50. Rarity?

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You guys know how I love old toned crusty gold. Well, I have been wanting some nice branch mint material for a while in the background, though type was my primary focus. I have also been selling off lower value coins in order to chase higher quality ones. When this piece came into focus, I did some research on Dahlonega gold, and I think I may have found a major rarity....though I need you folks to help me with it. I purchased this from David Lawrence, don't have it in hand yet....but he assures me that the luster is abundant in the fields. My research led me to Doug Winter's commentary on the 1848-D gold coin....and although this purchase ranks 4th as my most valuable coin, I believe it is actually the rarest coin I own.

Here is Doug's commentary off of coinfacts:

"The 1848-D is often regarded as one of the more common Dahlonega half eagles. This is most definitely not the case as it is actually quite scarce in any grade and very rare in high grades.

The 1848-D half eagle is a scarce and undervalued issue. Most grade Very Fine to Extremely Fine. Any coin grading About Uncirculated is rare and any About Uncirculated example with good eye appeal is very rare. In Mint State, the 1848-D half eagle is extremely rare.

STRIKE: The quality of strike depends on which die variety a specific coin is. Many examples are very poorly struck and show pronounced flatness at the obverse center and heavy die swelling. Others have clashmarks at the mouth of Liberty and behind the head and weakness on the neck feathers of the eagle. The reverse is generally better struck, even on the coins which show extreme weakness on the obverse. Any example with a sharp overall strike is very rare. For more information on strike, refer to Die Varieties below.

SURFACES: Most 1848-D half eagles have numerous abrasions on the surfaces. This is one of the most difficult Dahlonega half eagles to locate with clean fields. Examples exist with matte-like surfaces from exposure to seawater. These coins have Mint State sharpness but are generally accorded the same value as an Extremely Fine coin with original surfaces.

LUSTER: This date shows below average quality luster. On the few original, higher grade coins that exist, the luster is usually frosty in its texture. On the typical piece the luster is impaired and has a slightly grainy texture.

COLORATION: Due to the fact that so many have been cleaned, it is very difficult to find an 1848-D half eagle with pleasing natural coloration. The few original pieces which exist have darker green-gold or orange-gold hues.

EYE APPEAL: The 1848-D is one of the most difficult Dahlonega half eagles to locate with good eye appeal. Many are very poorly struck and most show serious, detracting abrasions. A piece with good eye appeal is legitimately rare and it deserves to sell for a significant premium over a typical example.

PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS: The 1848-D half eagle is actually one of the hardest Dahlonega issues of any denomination to locate with good eye appeal. Most are either poorly struck or have been cleaned at one time. I cannot recall having seen more than two or three pieces that I felt were genuinely attractive and have seen only one (the Duke's Creek coin) that I felt was unquestionably Uncirculated.

So with all that said:
How does this rank in original surfaces compared to other 48-Ds?
How does it rank in strike quality?
How does it rank in overall eye appeal department?

According to Doug, all of these issues add or detract to the rarity of the piece. I personally think it ranks pretty high, but I must admit, I am completely utterly biased.... Looking at AU examples that sold on heritage, almost all of them had severe strike/die swelling issues that this one doesn't appear to have, though I don't really know if it is a STRONG strike, its at least decent.

I will get some more pics take when she arrives, as these pics don't really show off the luster. but what do you all say?

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Doug Winters is likely the ranking expert on Dahlonega and Charlotte gold so his comments should be accurate. Your coin looks nice and original to me and the strike is very respectable. I note the full neck feathers on the eagle as well as the detailed left (facing) leg. Denticles are strong and complete on both sides. Surface marks are very light. High-point wear is obvious but in the Dahlonega universe an AU-50 grade seems reasonable.

Looks like a very choice example to me; well purchased! Congrats!
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Here are comparisons to the last 3 examples that sold on heritage. one au-50 one 55 and one 55 cac(this one is awesome). They all have some severe strike weaknesses though.
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Wow!
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I like the tone on the coin you acquired. The strike appears strong and the surfaces look original.

The closest thing I have to Dahlonega gold coins at the moment is Winter's book on that mint published in 2003. There is a 3rd edition of the book, but I haven't upgraded yet.

-MV

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Very nice tone on that coin.
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but what do you all say?


I say it's high, it's deep, and it's not playable.
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Definitely a sharper strike than the other three and by the pics it looks to have more luster. Not sure why yours wouldn't go at least AU55
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While I don't collect gold and can't answer your questions, I do like the orange toning. Very attractive!
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I am betting your coin was netted to an AU50 due to an old cleaning that is market acceptable.
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You did real well. Out of the 4 pictured I don't know if I like the AU55 CAC'd coin or yours the best. I think they are closer together in grade than you think. While the 55 has better wing tip feather detail than yours, your 50 has way better neck feather details. I think PCGS gave your coin the 50 grade based on the hit on the reverse. But with that great color I would take the chance and submit it back to PCGS. I think you have the shot at that 55 grade.
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I am betting your coin was netted to an AU50 due to an old cleaning that is market acceptable.


That could be. My thinking was that the coin was correctly graded, and just has a sharper more even die that struck the coin than most other 1848-Ds..The TPGs did not let die state weakness on the other coins hurt the overall grade. Both of the 55s shown have stronger details in the hair bun and top hair curl, but weaker details in the neck and lower hair curl becuase the weakness in the die that was used. So I think the 55s actually received less wear than mine, but my stronger strike makes it look like the higher grade. If you look on Heritage at AU 1848-Ds, probably 90% or so have this exact same unneven-ness in the coin details, which leads me to think the issue is with the die. Somehow, mine got one of the good dies. :-)
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I say it's high, it's deep, and it's not playable.

sorry dave, though it sounds like a compliment, I'm not following. It sounds like a football quote of sorts. Like a touchdown or field goal?
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Comparing yours with the first PCGS in the picture, yours is a lot better strike.
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I say it's high, it's deep, and it's not playable.

sorry dave, though it sounds like a compliment, I'm not following. It sounds like a football quote of sorts. Like a touchdown or field goal?


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Here are some updated pics. Not a whole lot of luster on the obv...and some cartwheel on the reverse. thoughts?
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