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Pillar of the Community
United States
1804 Posts |
For what it is worth, I took the time to call ebay, and (politely) visited with the REP ... telling her the fees were too high on coins & note. At first she really just didn't get it. 2 minuets into the conversation, she started to be sympathetic. I really do not know if CCF members have the heft to move the situation. But who knows. Maybe if enough members sound off ... It might? ================================== EDIT BTW I have quit selling 40 lots, 80 lot, 100 lots, 200 lots, 250 lots of Ikes ... because for the few pennies I get It is not worth the cost to drive them to the PO. I can sell (1) one TONE or ERROR Ike coin for more net-net. Now I just DUMP the circulated AU and even the BU stuff I have tubes of. Edited by Domain555
04/16/2014 1:13 pm
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Valued Member
United States
121 Posts |
Totally agree, I hate those fees... Kills any margin you make!
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Forum Dad
 United States
24185 Posts |
You can complain about them all you want, but they are by far, the best bang for the buck. You will not get the eyeballs anywhere else that you do on ebay. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
5324 Posts |
You think these ebay fees are bad, most US sellers have not opted out of the GLOBAL SHIPPING PROGRAM, it is a complete rip off for Canadian buyers, most coins you can't bid on the shipping fees are more than the coin, opt out if you are selling a Canadian coin. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1804 Posts |
Respectfully Bobby............. Quote:You can complain about them all you want, but they are by far, the best bang for the buck. You will not get the eyeballs anywhere else that you do on ebay. Ah .... If I can only net 7 cents per coin, in a 200 lot ... 1,000,000 eyes are goofy for me. . However, I have had spectacularly good ebay margins on single TONED and/or Error Ikes. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Store fees on ebay actually are fairly reasonable compared to everywhere else. Not giving more free listings is a poor move on eBays part sine most just wait for the next month to get more. It would be nice if the fees were lower but you still lose less of the sale price than you would at an auction house and don't have to send a minimum value to sell. The real issue is the buyers always right mentality, that's what's driven sellers away and will continue to do so until ebay takes a more neutral stance. Most of the time it's never an issues but every so often one of those people pop up that just can't be pleased and you're likely going to eat it in that situation. Then this fall the whole having to offer a return period from November to February to get the extra discount, good luck with that. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1804 Posts |
Collector-Corner..........
Like ever word you say.
Going to book mark your 2 sites.
Now use one of two LCD to dump ... They seem to like 'em at a buck. Figure they flip 'em for a dime. HEY ... that is $50 per 500 Ike DUMP! YAHOO! YAHOO!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Basebal............ Quote:The real issue is the buyers always right mentality, that's what's driven sellers away and will continue to do so until ebay takes a more neutral stance. Most of the time it's never an issues but every so often one of those people pop up that just can't be pleased and you're likely going to eat it in that situation. There is a way to get around that. When I EVER get around to selling some stuff on ebay, I plan to offer No Hassle returns. Plan on RAISING he price to cover the "hassle." Plan on a fewer amount of sales (maybe?) ... and let the honest buyers pay for the naughty hassle buyers. Works that way EVERYWHERE. Example: BOX STORE with 1-2% "shrinkage" HONEST buyers pays the load. No hassle returns was the WAY Wal-mart became #1 One thing for sure ... Buyers will buy more when they know it is easy return. Good for ebay ... Good for Buyers ... Good for Sellers. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
4078 Posts |
This is an interesting discussion. Let me tag along and read.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If I can only net 7 cents per coin, in a 200 lot ... 1,000,000 eyes are goofy for me. .
It is all about the profit margin and there is not much room for profit in nickel and dime items, you need to move on to items with higher resale value and bigger margins. I try to avoid selling anything under $10 because it is simply not worth the effort. From personal experience, eyeballs do count for maximizing value. I have sold many items on ebay for far more than I could get locally or selling here on the forum. My most recent one was a 1973 Soviet Mint Set. I got it from my local shop's bid board for $4 but it is actually a fairly rare item with only a few thousand minted. However, it is relatively obscure since not many people collect Soviet Mint Sets. I sold it in less than 24 hours on ebay to a Russian living in Houston, he was more than happy to pay my $300 asking price  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bio............ Quote:. My most recent one was a 1973 Soviet Mint Set. I got it from my local shop's bid board for $4 but it is actually a fairly rare item with only a few thousand minted. However, it is relatively obscure since not many people collect Soviet Mint Sets. I sold it in less than 24 hours on ebay to a Russian living in Houston, he was more than happy to pay my $300 asking price Heavy! The best future with me and ebay (with my MIGHTY Ikes) will be to sell them one at a time in the teen range. At this point have only sold (about 5-6) averaging (about) $12.00 NET NET. Need to stream line the format where you have more that 1 for sale. In order to do that, if I have to go to a "store" with ebay ... will most likely just copy and paste for the allotted 50 (100?) free listing. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:No hassle returns was the WAY Wal-mart became #1 One thing for sure ... Buyers will buy more when they know it is easy return. Good for ebay ... Good for Buyers ... Good for Sellers. That may be your plan, but I bet it won't be long and you drop it. The returns are hassle free for a brick and mortar store like Wal-mart that is a huge company. They can afford a loss. Buyers may be more, but I would rather send a package and know I won't get it back unless something is bad wrong rather than lose money on returns for any random reason. "Hassle free returns" are hassle free for buyers, expect they have to repackage and ship. Not really a problem for them. The seller has to deal with the hassle.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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' Quote: Buyers will buy more when they know it is easy return. Good for ebay ... Good for Buyers ... Good for Sellers. The only one its good for if buyers, ebay loses the fees and sellers have to relist and lose the packaging cost at the very least. Walmart really became the giant they are because they can undercut everyones prices. Everything in the store may not be the cheapest you can find, but a good chunk of it is for one stop shopping. Like mentioned its easy for a store to just put something back on the shelf and when youre talking about Walmart a few returns mean nothing to them since a lot of people dont even want to drive to the store to do that. That really wasnt what I was talking about though, an honest return every now and then is no big deal it happens. I was really referring to problem buyers, the people that are only happy when theyre unhappy. If youve ever worked in a restaurant or owned a store you know the type. For ebay these are the people that renegotiate price when the sale is completed, or treaten cases to get a discount ect. Or my personal favorite was one that happened to me. I had sold and item and a month later it came back to me as undelivered. I emailed asking if they wanted to pay to have it reshipped or the cost of the item refunded. Long story short they wanted it shipped again for free or fully refunded because they "shouldnt have to go to the post office to pick it up". Because it had signature confirmation they ignore the repeated package notices from USPS feeling I should have sent it so it would be left there and they couldnt be bothered to pick it up. It was the most absurd serious email exchange I've ever had. Those types of people in the past ebay has been known to side with and it just takes one time usually for a seller to say this isn't worth it. ebay seems to be a little better now, but it was a low bar to get over. The customer isn't always right for the simple fact that theyres just unreasonable customers in the world and people that try and game the ebay system. Its stories and buyers like that why a lot of sellers just block people at the first hint they could be a problem. I get ebay thinks that sellers will flock if theres buyers, but buyers come from inventory. Amazon is a giant because you can buy anything and the prime shipping is a great deal for repeat buyers. If the product and service is there buyers will come but ebay has it backwards bending over backwards for the buyer they make a few bucks off of chasing off sellers they make five and six figures off of because to them the buyers always right. Theres absolutely bad sellers out there who are easier to weed out than bad buyers. But things like that are why sellers have been leaving and will continue to over time if the balance of power isn't leveled out. Each case should be judged for its own merits, someone shouldnt be at an advantage or disadvantage immediately just because theyre a buyer or seller regardless of the facts. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bass...... Quote:That may be your plan, but I bet it won't be long and you drop it. The returns are hassle free for a brick and mortar store like Wal-mart that is a huge company. They can afford a loss. Buyers may be more, but I would rather send a package and know I won't get it back unless something is bad wrong rather than lose money on returns for any random reason. "Hassle free returns" are hassle free for buyers, expect they have to repackage and ship. Not really a problem for them. The seller has to deal with the hassle. Sincere thanks for the warning. I do not expect more than 10-40% returns.... I need to see about the "issue" of who pays the (total) shipping on returns ... that will sink the boat for sure. I buy Ikes by the 1000 bag lot ... pay face. I believe most people are honest. ebay has its fair share of whack jobs. Of course we must all agree no such animal exists here on CCF. Right? As I have said, I cleared NET NET about $12.00 per coin (in my very small test sales (5-6) 1 or 2 NEGS will put me out of business. Then I can just fold my tent and move on to greener pastures. Will continue to buy 1000 bag Ikes ... strip the AG, add to my ike collection(s) and dump-dump-dump.Any way thanks again |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1130 Posts |
Hopefully you won't get many returns. Yeah, you may want to mention that buyers pay return shipping also. That could definitely kill you. I see what you're saying about getting a negative, but right now I have 100% positive feedback. That doesn't mean there hasn't been any problems. I have had several issues with buyers that in the end were worked out peacefully. I hope I can keep it that way for a long time. Good luck to you!  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1804 Posts |
Bass............. Quote:
Hopefully you won't get many returns. Yeah, you may want to mention that buyers pay return shipping also. That could definitely kill you. I see what you're saying about getting a negative, but right now I have 100% positive feedback. That doesn't mean there hasn't been any problems. I have had several issues with buyers that in the end were worked out peacefully. I hope I can keep it that way for a long time. Good luck to you! Thank you for the Good Luck I am fortunate to have a 100% feed back, as of now. We both know one whacko can spoil that. I too had one case opened against me. Sold and carefully packed 250 Ikes in a Small Flat Rate Box. Counted TWICE. Double (triple) taped. Well ... the box was received (acknowledged) to be well PACKED. But (his) count was off by (4). He offered to take a prorated $5.17(?) credit to his paypal or ... send 4 Ikes. The mail would have taken days to get there. I wanted it solved ASAP. I credited his Paypal and it was all over in 2.5 hours. <===== Did I miscount (twice)? Was he a whacko? Figured it was just best to go along to get along. Did not make much on that brick of Ikes ... From memory, I think it was bid to $323.xx. Mixed lot of CIR-AU-UNC. ================================= Over all, it was better than a LCD dump. One issue I like in a LCD dump is the way they (NOW) treat me. First time I dumped they treated my (MIGHTY) ikes like a leper. He went out of his way to say they are worthless. I only get FACE for my coins. So far every time I call ahead to see if they are "open to buy" the voice tones get better and better. We both know he is flipping 'em for (about) a dime. If so ... he has made (about) $200 on my (worthless) ikes. He has even ASK me where do I get my Ikes? (Answer at the bank) So far, he is STILL buying MY Ikes. That dump was 100% AU-UNC. No greasers. Give the greasers to wife for fast circulation, and the 100K spend Ike dollars project on CCF Looking forward (if ever) that I can dump for a very few cents per coin. At least I could get my gas back. Sorry this is too long. |
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Posted 04/16/2014 1:35 pm
