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Searched $12 Of 1970 S Cents.

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Went through $12 of 1970 S cents looking for anything to catch my eye. Well all I got was some different Machine Doubling.

So here's a question, why are some dates all doubled while others only have 1 or 2 numbers doubled?

Thanks, I sure other novice folks like myself might be wondering the same thing.

Here's 6 different examples...one is blurry...sorry.

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Here is the possible answer:
Searched-$12-Of-1970-S-Cents.
In three OBW rolls from the same run, there were Machine Doubling from the same machine with the same dies. The machine was sloppy and making machine doubled coins, but look closer at these. They are different because of the machine. All images have the same markers, but all are different. So machine doesn't have to make the same doubling from strike to strike. So as for rules for Machine Doubling; there are no hard set rules. Just damaged coins.
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These appear to be Machine Doubling. The devices aren't thicker, they are reduced in side and flat. From what I can see, all of these exhibit the Machine Doubling (MD).

The 1970's were reknown for having lots of machine doubled coins. One thing to note is that the mint mark usually will show Machine Doubling, and it usually is an the same angle as the date or other devices. Typically on a Doubled Die Obverse, the Mint mark is not doubled.... why?

Because on doubled dies its the die itself that has the issue. Doubled dies have the doubling engraved into them, so thats why you will see doubling on the devices (numbers, letters and other objects). The Mint mark before 1990 was put on by hand and was a separate process. The only reason you'd have a doubled die with a doubled mint mark is if the Mint mark was a repunched mint mark.

Don't confuse doubled dies and double strikes togther. Doubled dies have the doubling engraved into them, so thats why you will see doubling on the devices (numbers, letters and other objects). A Double Strike means the die struck the coin twice, and should leave a double impression of everything if it is "done correctly"

Double strikes don't matter on proof coins - unless they are WAY OFF. Most proof coins usually have 2 strikes with specially made dies, and polished planchets to give it that sharp mirrored look. I have seen proofs under the microscope that were struck 4 times.
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I see the Machine Doubling but is it possible for one like the first one to also have both S/S WEST (EDS) and Machine Doubling north
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