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1853 Penny Do You Think I Should Buy?

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 Posted 04/24/2014  11:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sweep to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here is the link - lovely toning and the green is toning isn't it?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151286815...refresh=true

Thanks
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 Posted 04/24/2014  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure I like the patina on this one. darker color around the lettering with lighter color in the fields is possibly a sign of an old cleaning. That said, it's not all too unpleasing; the rims are a little beat, but not that bad.

Unfortunately it's a common date, and given what it's at right now with 9 days to go, I don't expect the price to be at all reasonable by the time the auction ends.
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 Posted 04/24/2014  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What date should I go for? How about this coin, please tell me if it has been cleaned, whether there is verdigris, filed down rims etc.
Thanks!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1848-7-vi...em338dd2682a
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 Posted 04/24/2014  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't matter what date you go for, I was just saying that the price was already headed too high on that piece, being the common date that it is.

The 1848/7 there grades right around VF. Surfaces look nice and original. only things that would bother me are all the dings on Vicky's cheek, the long scratch behind her neck, and the black spot near Britannia's headdress on the reverse (possibly verdigris, but hard to tell because of the lighting glare).

Personally, I think it'd be much better just to visit an actual coin shop, where you won't have to rely on poor photos to appraise condition, and will probably find far more reasonable prices. You're fortunate to live in the UK, where your coin shops will actually stock British coins. ebay is sometimes the only way for us in the States.
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 Posted 04/24/2014  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that very helpful I will try and visit a shop and be on the look out for a cheaper one/better date
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 Posted 04/24/2014  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And ... hopefully without causing controversy, you might want to check out some British coin forums sweep.

Coincommunity is brilliant, but most of the discussions relate to US coinage as you'd expect for a US based forum.

Yes, there are a fair number of people here who collect UK coins. But generally British coin collectors tend to meet on British forums and you might find you'll get more information about varieties, trustworthy dealers and UK prices on one of those?
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The first coin appears to be cleaned and is now re-toning. The second is not a particularly special example. You'll find better.

As Tom says, dedicated British forums would help you more.
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 Posted 04/24/2014  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Extremely Fine Victorian 1853 Penny, Ornamental Trident ,Peck 1500. CGS UK graded CGS60,


Does this grading company use a 100 Point System?
If so, what are the grades in the 70's, 80's & 90's compared to the 70 Point Scale.
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Does this grading company use a 100 Point System?
If so, what are the grades in the 70's, 80's & 90's compared to the 70 Point Scale.


Indeed it does B-C.

This might help: http://www.coingradingservices.co.u..._cgs_grading

Although of course, such comparisons are not exact, merely to help people to know roughly what to expect.
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04/24/2014 3:44 pm
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What date should I go for? How about this coin, please tell me if it has been cleaned, whether there is verdigris, filed down rims etc.


I'm not being sarcastic when I say "maybe you should self-educate yourself a little bit before asking other people what you should purchase".

I know nothing on the coin you posted, and had it been double struck, or some other type of error, and you asked what is it worth, then I could help you out and advise what the maximum price I would pay if I wanted to purchase it, but I would never ask someone I don't personally know, what should I pay.

I sometimes overpay for coins I like because the premium paid is worth it knowing I would never sell it.

Everyone is different and you are the only person who knows what excites you, and collectors today are only a keystroke or two away seeking whatever information they request.

As for cleaned coins, I've been in this hobby some 50 years and purchased quite a few early 1800's coins that I didn't realize had been cleaned until I sent them for 3rd Party certification.
It may be a little disappointing receiving some of the older coins back with the designation "cleaned", but it doesn't mean I like the coin any less then before having them certified.
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 Posted 04/24/2014  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to you to our forum.

I also just noticed that this thread is the United Kingdom thread, and failed to mention that Token Publishing is going to publish my £20 Triple Serial Number error note in their June or July edition.

I have the error note thread somewhere in this forum from a year or two back.

I received this eMail 2 days ago.


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In response to your email seeking information on the £20 error in your possession, I propose featuring part of it in a forthcoming edition of COIN NEWS as a "Letter to the Editor". Hopefully someone out there may know of the existence of one or more from the remainder of the sheet and may contact you through our office. It will probably be the June edition as May has already been printed. I am sorry that your requests to UK dealers went unanswered but I suppose if they can't help they just can't be bothered! If we do get any replies we will let you know.

Thank you for your interest in COIN NEWS.

Sincerely

John


John W. Mussell
Group Managing Editor
Token Publishing Ltd, Orchard House,
Duchy Road, Heathpark
Honiton, Devon EX14 1YD
Tel: 01404 46972
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04/24/2014 4:14 pm
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 Posted 04/24/2014  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://goccf.com/t/84778

£20 Triple Serial Number Error (posted 2 years ago)
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