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Hi, what do you think about the grade of this 1837 Capped Bust half. I sure like these with the reeded edge. Thanks, Jim..  
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AU 50 or so. The surfaces look original. A few dings but overall a nice coin.
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United States
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Nooby here with grading Bust anythings, but it looks cleaned to me.
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Rest in Peace
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xf45 was my thought. Not enough luster for AU, but more detail than the average XF. It looks original and problem free to my eye.
Edited by johnny54321 04/26/2014 10:06 am
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 very nice! I'd say EF-40 to 45 and market acceptable. Quote: but it looks cleaned to me. Crusinfusion, can you elaborate as to why? Especially for older coins, it's more of "market acceptable" or "not market acceptable "opposed to "cleaned" or "not cleaned". TPG's are far more lenient with older coins when it comes to cleaned/not cleaned. Up until very, very recently cleaning coins was not only considered to be an acceptable thing, but it was actually encouraged and not frowned upon in the least. Off the top of my head, if I can remember correctly, it's estimated that over 95% of all coins made before the year 1900 have been cleaned at least once in its lifetime, probably numerous times for many of them, especially silver. Old silver coins that are still blast white have almost positively been dipped at one time, that's why I prefer toners as toning is completely natural although some call it PMD... To me a dipped coin, even a lightly dipped coin is the damaged coin, lol, as it's removed the natural patina that should be expected on all silver. All silver will eventually tone, someone may be able to delay it for their lifetime if extreme precautions are taken but it will tone eventually as that's the natural progression of metals due to natural elements in every millimeter in our world... And even with more modern coins, up until now I believe that it's estimated that around 80% if not a little bit more have been cleaned at one point or another. So instead of saying cleaned or not cleaned, it more goes on the degree of the cleaning, for instance the method of cleaning, was it a quick dip or was it wire brushed? Most coins have been cleaned at least once... Lol, how many women do you know that pull a handful of change out of their purse that's covered with makeup and grime? Or someone who works at a services station or garage and all change in their pocket is oily and greasy, so they throw it in a container of gasoline? My point is that the majority of coins have been cleaned, it's how they were cleaned and when that makes them market acceptable or not. And again, older coins are usually held to a lighter standard otherwise they'd all be details grades, lol.
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Thanks to everyone for your Grading opinions. And on the cleaning issue which is sacrosant to many, I agree with NathanASE completely. I'm sorry to say, Most Of Your Coins Have Been Cleaned! and for good reason, they were a grimy filthy mess. I've had so many coins covered with paint, tar, glue, tape, ink, caked on dirt, and what looked to me to be crap. Maybe I need to start buying better coins, But, Yes, I do clean that off so I can enjoy the beauty of the coin. All markets determine what is acceptable, and the coin market is no different. What I see now is what I would call coin detailing. Just look on ebay, times are a changin. Look at the big copper sellers and those Draped Bust Large Cents. Everyone of those coins has been processed, just look at the uniformity. There are 3 guys that do a great job on their Draped Bust, they look fantastic in my opinion. They have been detailed, I just wish I knew what they are using. Defininatly not what I've bought here and there. Now, go to these sellers feedback and you won't find a complaint, none, zip. This is a very large market that is saying we don't care, and maybe to some extent, we don't Know? And this is not just limited to the Copper guys, everybody is a coin detailer now. I know some very big a savy collectors and they will show me coins, and tell me with a straight face that the coins have not been cleaned, is this simply denile? Do they believe these 200 year old very circulated coins really look this good, naturally. And these grading services saying this coin has been cleaned, but not that one, give me a break. But when god speaks people listen. I really feel better getting that off my chest, Jim..
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Korea, Republic Of
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XF-45. Love the natural colors.
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