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1921 D Morgan - Which VAM Is This?

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 Posted 04/28/2014  1:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add luis_m to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was checking my coins and I noticed this.
Can someone tell me if this is a true VAM and what number it is? If you need more pics let me know.

Thanks!

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If it doesn't match any of the die crack listingshttp://www.vamworld.com/21-D+D...k+Guide we'll probably need full shots of the obverse and reverse to attribute. (and SsuperDdave, our resident '21 expert)

And yes, it is a VAM as all Morgan and Peace dollars are identified by the die pairing and sometimes the die state. AKA VAM number.
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Ok, sounds great I will get a full shot tonight. I have a 40x scope hooked up to a camera at work. I had looked at the listings but couldn't fit it to an exact one. It also has some funky stuff going on that I didn't include in the pics above. I will attatch tonight after 6pm. I got it on ebay about a year ago and I don't think the seller knew it was a VAM.
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Attributing 21's can sometimes lead to hair loss. Full Obverse & Reverse pics will be needed as already advised. Don't forget to check around the eagles leg for scribbling scratches which can help with attribution of some varieties. The other fly in the ointment here is having to take into consideration the early die states of certain 21-D VAMS. Also looks like there may be some polishing lines around "AMERICA" & the wreath. Take a good loupe, light and your coin and start searching here:
http://www.vamworld.com/1921-D+VAMs
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BTW: "got it on ebay about a year ago and I don't think the seller knew it was a VAM"
They are all VAMS & many just go for common money. They are still fun to attribute though.
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Chasing down a '21 VAM by the scribblings on the tail feathers will lead to more than just hair loss.
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AMERIC should be enough for this one, but I'm at work and won't have the time to address it until tomorrow afternoon. If it's still unanswered then I'll have a closer look.
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Ok, so not sure what's going on in the reverse. something spilled on it? Maybe someone can tell me.

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I also couldn't get the whole coin to come out in the microscope so I drew where I saw the breaks on a paper.



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The cracks I see are too fine to count as listable die breaks. Can you show a picture of the ones by OF? It may be that the scribble scratches are the way to go for attributing this one.
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 Posted 05/01/2014  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
None of those die cracks or scratches are big enough, either. What you've circled on the S is not die doubling, but part of the design that is on all 1921 reverses.
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I took a quick trip through VAMworld and my own images and came up empty-handed. The AM crack is reminiscent of 1P but isn't identical. I wonder if the die failed catastrophically before any of the cracks became prominent-enough to be listable. Gonna be more fun than I thought.

This is a really interesting coin, with all the die polishing being so strong in the images. I suspect the strike quality and luster are right up there for a 1921-D, and it's got to be a pretty early strike from that die. Or at least, pretty early after they polished it, possibly in an attempt to remove the die cracks.
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messydesk, thanks for clearing that up.

superdave, thanks for looking into the coin. I had trouble so identifying it so I came here.
The information you gave is very interesting.
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